F22 vs @isaku, pelajaran bahasa english

isaku wrote:Ngawur kamu, g ada ultimatum ngotot ultimatum, disuruh belajar g mau, tukang plintir dasar, g dimana2 perwakilan kaummu memang tukang plintir semua.
to summon = memanggil/mengajak/mengarahkan
grace = rahmat/belas kasih/sopan santun/keikhlasan/kemurahan hati
Abdurrahman .... blablabla = Abdurrahman berdakwah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedition_of_Abdur_Rahman_bin_Auf

Muhammad appointed Abdur Rahman bin Auf to head to Dumatul Jandal to win over the people. It is reported by the Muslim Scholar Ibn Hisham, that he told Abdur Rahman:

Fight everyone in the way of God and kill those who disbelieve in God. Do not be deceitful with spoils, do not be treacherous, nor mutilate,do not kill children. This is God’s ordinance and practice of his prophet among you.
[Ibn Hisham, Sirat Rasul Allah , p. 672][2][7]

Abdur Rahman set out with 700 men on an expedition to Dumat al-Jandal, that is on the route to Khaybar, Fadak. The place was a great trading center; the inhabitants were mainly Christians and were ruled by a Christian king. Following the Islamic rule, on reaching Dumatul Jandal, Abdur Rahman summoned the people of the tribe to embrace Islam within three days grace.
During the 3 day period, Al-Asbagh, a Christian chief of Banu Kalb complied and many of his followers also followed suit.[6] Other tribes also paid tribute (Jizya) to Abdur Rahman. On agreement to pay Jizya tax regularly, they were allowed to keep their Christianity.[2]

isaku wrote:authoritatively or urgently call on (someone) to be present
sinonim: send for, call for, request the presence of, ask, invite.

Si penulis memilih kata summon karena objek dakwah memang harus ditemui

Abdur Rahman set out with 700 men on an expedition to Dumat al-Jandal, that is on the route to Khaybar, Fadak. The place was a great trading center; the inhabitants were mainly Christians and were ruled by a Christian king. Following the Islamic rule, on reaching Dumatul Jandal, Abdur Rahman summoned the people of the tribe to embrace Islam within three days grace.

It is reported by the Muslim Scholar Ibn Hisham, that he told Abdur Rahman:
Fight everyone in the way of God and kill those who disbelieve in God. Do not be deceitful with spoils, do not be treacherous, nor mutilate,do not kill children.

Berperanglah di jalan allah & BUNUH setiap orang yg tidak beriman kpd allah. Jangan terpengaruh dg barang jarahan, jangan bertindak keji, jangan membunuh anak2.

Menurutmu kenapa sohibmu tidak menggunakan kata to force, to pressure, to threaten, to intimidate, to warn saja?

isaku wrote:jangan dilewat yg ini:

Menurutmu kenapa sohibmu tidak menggunakan kata to force, to pressure, to threaten, to intimidate, to warn saja?

tuh jawab dulu, baru kita lanjut, pelajaran dasar aja belum lulus malah nanya2 yg lanjutan.

isaku wrote:Tak satupun kata yang menggambarkan "ultimatum kasar", sohibmu yg nulis di wiki tahu bahwa itu misi dakwah sehingga menggunakan kata "win over", sohibmu juga tahu bahwa orang2 harus diajak/diundang/dipanggil/diseru sehingga menggunakan kata "summon", dan suasana saat itu bukanlah suasana mencekam/menakutkan namun sebaliknya damai, penuh rahmat, keberkahan sehingga doi menggunakan kata "grace"

Abdur Rahman set out with 700 men on an expedition to Dumat al-Jandal, that is on the route to Khaybar, Fadak. The place was a great trading center; the inhabitants were mainly Christians and were ruled by a Christian king. Following the Islamic rule, on reaching Dumatul Jandal, Abdur Rahman summoned the people of the tribe to embrace Islam within three days grace.

It is reported by the Muslim Scholar Ibn Hisham, that he told Abdur Rahman:
Fight everyone in the way of God and kill those who disbelieve in God. Do not be deceitful with spoils, do not be treacherous, nor mutilate,do not kill children.

Berperanglah di jalan allah & BUNUH setiap orang yg tidak beriman kpd allah. Jangan terpengaruh dg barang jarahan, jangan bertindak keji, jangan membunuh anak2.

F-22 wrote:

isaku wrote:Tak satupun kata yang menggambarkan "ultimatum kasar", sohibmu yg nulis di wiki tahu bahwa itu misi dakwah sehingga menggunakan kata "win over", sohibmu juga tahu bahwa orang2 harus diajak/diundang/dipanggil/diseru sehingga menggunakan kata "summon", dan suasana saat itu bukanlah suasana mencekam/menakutkan namun sebaliknya damai, penuh rahmat, keberkahan sehingga doi menggunakan kata "grace"

Lha iya ...... terus

Dan jangan lupa:

It is reported by the Muslim Scholar Ibn Hisham, that he told Abdur Rahman:
Fight everyone in the way of God and kill those who disbelieve in God. Do not be deceitful with spoils, do not be treacherous, nor mutilate,do not kill children.

Berperanglah di jalan allah & BUNUH setiap orang yg tidak beriman kpd allah. Jangan terpengaruh dg barang jarahan, jangan bertindak keji, jangan membunuh anak2.

Kau setuju ndak dg terjemahanku atas peristiwa "penuh rahmat & berkah" di atas ???

Jangan berlagak spt BADUT, ngoceh peristiwa "penuh rahmat & berkah" tapi ketika disuruh menterjemahkan secara lengkap malah tunggang-langgang spt orang ******.

isaku wrote:Selain grace kan masih ada win over, summon yg bukan force, threaten, intimidate

F-22 wrote:

isaku wrote:Selain grace kan masih ada win over, summon yg bukan force, threaten, intimidate

Jadi: grace + win over + summon == peristiwa penuh rahmad & barokah ???

Kenafa dari begitu banyak kata dalam kisah dumatul jandal yg menjadi pertimbanganmu cuma 3 kata di atas ???

Kenafa kau tidak mempertimbangkan kata FIGHT & KILL dalam kisah tsb ???

It is reported by the Muslim Scholar Ibn Hisham, that he told Abdur Rahman:
Fight everyone in the way of God and kill those who disbelieve in God. Do not be deceitful with spoils, do not be treacherous, nor mutilate,do not kill children.

isaku wrote:Kalo mau ngikutin, bikin PR-mu... jangan malas

isaku wrote:

F-22 wrote:

isaku wrote:Tak satupun kata yang menggambarkan "ultimatum kasar", sohibmu yg nulis di wiki tahu bahwa itu misi dakwah sehingga menggunakan kata "win over", sohibmu juga tahu bahwa orang2 harus diajak/diundang/dipanggil/diseru sehingga menggunakan kata "summon", dan suasana saat itu bukanlah suasana mencekam/menakutkan namun sebaliknya damai, penuh rahmat, keberkahan sehingga doi menggunakan kata "grace"

Lha iya ...... terus

Kalau sudah iya, g usah pake terus.... lha kamu kan g bisa bantah.

Dan jangan lupa:

It is reported by the Muslim Scholar Ibn Hisham, that he told Abdur Rahman:
Fight everyone in the way of God and kill those who disbelieve in God. Do not be deceitful with spoils, do not be treacherous, nor mutilate,do not kill children.

Berperanglah di jalan allah & BUNUH setiap orang yg tidak beriman kpd allah. Jangan terpengaruh dg barang jarahan, jangan bertindak keji, jangan membunuh anak2.

Kau setuju ndak dg terjemahanku atas peristiwa "penuh rahmat & berkah" di atas ???

Hadeeh, kalau udah karatan emang susah sih....

Kamu melewatkan entah sengaja atau tidak idiom "in the way"

Kamu belajar dulu yg benar, apa beda "on the way" sama "in the way". Sekalian kamu teliti kata "those" pada kalimat, merefer kemana tuh si "those" yg kamu artikan setiap orang.

Kalau sudah kamu tampilkan dimari.

Jangan berlagak spt BADUT, ngoceh peristiwa "penuh rahmat & berkah" tapi ketika disuruh menterjemahkan secara lengkap malah tunggang-langgang spt orang ******.

Badut2 jaman sekarang memang kurang ajar, dikasih kursus gratis tapi g tau terima kasih.

isaku wrote:

Dan jangan lupa:

It is reported by the Muslim Scholar Ibn Hisham, that he told Abdur Rahman:
Fight everyone in the way of God and kill those who disbelieve in God. Do not be deceitful with spoils, do not be treacherous, nor mutilate,do not kill children.

Berperanglah di jalan allah & BUNUH setiap orang yg tidak beriman kpd allah. Jangan terpengaruh dg barang jarahan, jangan bertindak keji, jangan membunuh anak2.

Kau setuju ndak dg terjemahanku atas peristiwa "penuh rahmat & berkah" di atas ???

Hadeeh, kalau udah karatan emang susah sih....

Kamu melewatkan entah sengaja atau tidak idiom "in the way"

Kamu belajar dulu yg benar, apa beda "on the way" sama "in the way". Sekalian kamu teliti kata "those" pada kalimat, merefer kemana tuh si "those" yg kamu artikan setiap orang.

isaku wrote:Setidaknya tunjukkan dong usahamu, semua anak sekolah juga belum tentu prnya benar semua, tapi guru pasti menilai positif mereka yg mengerjakan, ini bukan hanya soal kepahaman tapi attitude

isaku wrote:Ya udah yg no.2aja kerjain dulu, "those" refer kemana?