Benarkah nama TUHAN adalah Alloh swt?

by **ramayana** Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:59 pm

First topic message reminder :

mohan teman teman muslim memberi argumen.

ini terutama tentang sudah dipakainya nama Alloh di jaman arab jahiliah.

dan benarkan nama Tuhan Musa = nama Tuhan Mohamad?

by **ramayana** Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:28 pm

@ ht..

1. Lembaga Alkitab Indonesia tidak pernah mengubah terjemahan nama Allah di dalam Alkitab berbahasa Indonesia

capek deh.. ente kan udah ane kasih link LAI sendiri! disana di katakan.. untuk terjemahan dari elohim di terjemahkan jadi Allah.

Mengapa LAI menggunakan kata “Allah”?
Dalam Alkitab Terjemahan Baru (1974) yang digunakan secara luas di tanah air, baik oleh umat Katolik maupun Protestan, kata “Allah” merupakan padanan ’ELOHIM, ’ELOAH dan ’EL dalam Alkitab Ibrani:

http://www.alkitab.or.id/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=69

apakah nama TUHAN adalah El?

Apa dasar LAI menggunakan kata “TUHAN” (seluruhnya huruf besar) sebagai padanan untuk YHWH?

ane nanya ht...

nama TUHAN itu YHWH atau Elohim??

kalau ada kata.. Adonai, elohim echad. yg artinya Tuhan, Allah itu esa.
mana yg merupakan nama.. mana yg sebutan?

surat dari LAI ya mungkin saja hanya dari kebahasaan! tetapi yg kita lihat kan hasil terjemahannya!! Allah itu untuk apa.. dan kata TUHAN itu hasil dari terjemahan kata apa...

by **hamba tuhan** Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:30 pm

ramayana wrote:@ ht..

1. Lembaga Alkitab Indonesia tidak pernah mengubah terjemahan nama Allah di dalam Alkitab berbahasa Indonesia

capek deh.. ente kan udah ane kasih link LAI sendiri! disana di katakan.. untuk terjemahan dari elohim di terjemahkan jadi Allah.

Mengapa LAI menggunakan kata “Allah”?
Dalam Alkitab Terjemahan Baru (1974) yang digunakan secara luas di tanah air, baik oleh umat Katolik maupun Protestan, kata “Allah” merupakan padanan ’ELOHIM, ’ELOAH dan ’EL dalam Alkitab Ibrani:

http://www.alkitab.or.id/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=69

apakah nama TUHAN adalah El?

Apa dasar LAI menggunakan kata “TUHAN” (seluruhnya huruf besar) sebagai padanan untuk YHWH?

ane nanya ht...

nama TUHAN itu YHWH atau Elohim??

kalau ada kata.. Adonai, elohim echad. yg artinya Tuhan, Allah itu esa.
mana yg merupakan nama.. mana yg sebutan?

surat dari LAI ya mungkin saja hanya dari kebahasaan! tetapi yg kita lihat kan hasil terjemahannya!! Allah itu untuk apa.. dan kata TUHAN itu hasil dari terjemahan kata apa...

nak ram... sono berdebat dl dgn LAI

by **abu hanan** Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:39 pm

ramayana wrote:
dan benarkan nama Tuhan Musa = nama Tuhan Mohamad?

kalow yang ini jelas rumit..
1.basa yang dipake jelas berbeda
2.jarak kedua nabi sangat jauh..sehingga ada kemungkinan akan sulit menyatukan persepsi bila tidak ada variabel yang disepakati..

tapi udalah..terserah TS deh..

by **ramayana** Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:57 am

hamba tuhan wrote:
ramayana wrote:@ ht..

1. Lembaga Alkitab Indonesia tidak pernah mengubah terjemahan nama Allah di dalam Alkitab berbahasa Indonesia

capek deh.. ente kan udah ane kasih link LAI sendiri! disana di katakan.. untuk terjemahan dari elohim di terjemahkan jadi Allah.

Mengapa LAI menggunakan kata “Allah”?
Dalam Alkitab Terjemahan Baru (1974) yang digunakan secara luas di tanah air, baik oleh umat Katolik maupun Protestan, kata “Allah” merupakan padanan ’ELOHIM, ’ELOAH dan ’EL dalam Alkitab Ibrani:

http://www.alkitab.or.id/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=69

apakah nama TUHAN adalah El?

Apa dasar LAI menggunakan kata “TUHAN” (seluruhnya huruf besar) sebagai padanan untuk YHWH?

ane nanya ht...

nama TUHAN itu YHWH atau Elohim??

kalau ada kata.. Adonai, elohim echad. yg artinya Tuhan, Allah itu esa.
mana yg merupakan nama.. mana yg sebutan?

surat dari LAI ya mungkin saja hanya dari kebahasaan! tetapi yg kita lihat kan hasil terjemahannya!! Allah itu untuk apa.. dan kata TUHAN itu hasil dari terjemahan kata apa...

nak ram... sono berdebat dl dgn LAI

aneh.. ane ini pakai hasil terjemahan LAI yg menurut ane ga masalah.. bukan surat LAI. dia mau ngoceh apa aja selama hasil terjemahan ga salah.. kenapa ane musti debat? hahahahahahaha...

by **ramayana** Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:59 am

abu hanan wrote:
ramayana wrote:
dan benarkan nama Tuhan Musa = nama Tuhan Mohamad?

kalow yang ini jelas rumit..
1.basa yang dipake jelas berbeda
2.jarak kedua nabi sangat jauh..sehingga ada kemungkinan akan sulit menyatukan persepsi bila tidak ada variabel yang disepakati..

tapi udalah..terserah TS deh..

makanya ane nanya.. dimana dasar ente berkata nama TUHAN musa=nama TUHAN mohamad di quran?

udah jelas nama Allah tidak merujuk ke nama TUHAN YAHUDI! ini kalau berdasar quran dan pendapat muslim lho ya.. kecuali musicman hehehehehe

by **SEGOROWEDI** Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:03 am

abu hanan wrote:
ramayana wrote:
dan benarkan nama Tuhan Musa = nama Tuhan Mohamad?

kalow yang ini jelas rumit..
1.basa yang dipake jelas berbeda
2.jarak kedua nabi sangat jauh..sehingga ada kemungkinan akan sulit menyatukan persepsi bila tidak ada variabel yang disepakati..

tapi udalah..terserah TS deh..

Tuhan-nya Musa bahkan tidak menyebut NAMA
hanya menjawab: 'Aku adalah Aku'
sedang ilahnya muhammad ber-propername 'alloh'
kalau mo diartikanpun bukan 'aku adalah aku'
jadi BEDA.. tauk tuh, muhammad nemu 'tuhan' dimana..

by **musicman** Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:09 pm

Fact -> Fakta:
Saya ambil dari tulisan saya sendiri disini:

http://www.laskarislam.com/t5627-musicmanbuktikan-kepada-saya-revolt-yahwh-allah-swt

Tulisan seorang Pastur Khatolik dan pernah menjadi Imam dibawah ini, yaitu :

Dr. Fr.Labib Kobti
Benarkah nama TUHAN adalah Alloh swt? - Page 4 Fatherlabib06

Benarkah nama TUHAN adalah Alloh swt? - Page 4 Fatherlabib06

http://www.al-bushra.org/labibbio.htm

Biography
Born in Beirut, Lebanon on August 31, 1950 (Son of Fawzi Francis Kobti and Verginie Elias El-Sharif). Studied at the Latin Patriarchate Seminary of Jerusalem from 1963-1975. Worked as a teacher at Terra Santa College 1973-1974 (Franciscan Fathers of the Custody of the Holy Land) in Bethlehem and director of the Youth Groups at Frères School in Bethlehem 1972-1974.

Ordained priest on July 6th 1975 at the Capuchin Cathedral of Beirut, Lebanon. Worked as Assistant pastor at Beit-Jala Parish from 1975-1977. Assistant parish priest at the Parish of Hashimy / Jordan 1977-1978. Teacher at the Seminary of Beit-Jala and Co-director for the Priestly and religious vocation office for the diocese (Jordan, Palestine and Israel) from 1979-1992. He taught Latin, French, Music, Geography, History, and Church History at the Seminary. He was at the same time spiritual director for minor and major Seminarians and a teacher of religion at the parish Schools in Beit-Jala and Bethlehem.

In 1982 he was sent to Rome to study Canon Law. Earned his Ph.D. in Canon Law in 1985 from the Lateran University.

Was sent then to serve as secretary to the Apostolic Vicariate of Lebanon 1985-1986. Worked as judge and defender of bond at the Latin, Syrian, and Chaldean Ecclesiastical Tribunals in Beirut, Lebanon.

Was sent back to Rome in 1987 to continue his studies in theology and was awarded his MA in Theology (Ecclesiology). He worked as assistant pastor at Jesus the Worker parish in Rome. Was recruited by the Vatican to study at the Pontifical Academy that prepares the Vatican Diplomats in 1989-1990. Because of health problems at that time, he had to leave his studies. Was sent to serve as Parish priest in Marj Al Hamam, Jordan 1990-1992.

Was sent in 1992 by Patriarch Michel Sabbah to serve the Arab-American Catholic Community in California. He established two missions, St. Joseph in Pomona and St. Anne of the Sunset in San Francisco, commuting every week between the two missions for six years, serving at the same time the Arab-American Catholics in Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon.

He created a magazine Al Bushra (5 thousand copies) in English and Arabic. The magazine addressed topics pertaining to Christian Arab Heritage, the challenges of the Christians of the Middle East, and the rights of the Arab People. He worked as a second judge and defender of the bond at the Maronite Tribunal in Los Angeles.

In the summer of 1994 he created the widely acclaimed Al-Bushra website to promote justice, peace, and truth on issues of Middle East Human Rights. A much sought after speaker and human rights advocate, he has many organizations and universities on the issues of the Holy Land.

In October 1997 he was chosen by the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, (ADC) Los Angeles and Orange County as the man of the year and received the "Alex Odeh Humanitarian Award".

In November 1998 he was assigned to serve only San Francisco as the Latin Patriarchate sent another priest to serve Los Angeles and Southern California.

Was assigned by Archbishop William Levada as Pastor of St. John of God (1290 Fifth Ave, San Francisco, CA 94122), effective July 1999, in addition to his work as Pastor of the Arab-American Roman Catholic Community in Northern California. His direct superior as a diocesan priest is the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem. He speaks Arabic, French, English, Italian, Spanish. Granted bi-ritual faculties, he celebrates the Latin Rite and Maronite rite (the Maronite rite uses the Siro-Aramaic language of Jesus at their liturgy). Served at SJOG through June 30, 2002.

In 1999 he was invited to join the Knights of Holy Sepuchre, he was invested by Cardinal Roger Mahony, Archbishop of Los Angeles in October 1999 in Phoenix, Arizona.

He was assigned, effective July 1, 2002, as pastor of St. Thomas More (1300 Junipero Serra Boulevard, San Francisco, CA 94132). St. Thomas More Church became the new home of the Arab-American Catholic Community in Northern California.

Appointments and Accomplishments include

Cofounder of the Holy Land Christian Ecumenical Foundation in 1999 in Washington D. C.
Founded in San Francisco, April 1999, the Catholic Business Network (CBN-SF), an organization that wants to apply the principles of the Catholic Faith in the marketplace
Founded in San Francisco a Committee for Justice and Peace at St. John of God in 1999
Invitations to speak from the ADC, the International Catholic Forum, the Open Tent Middle Eastern Coalition, and numerous universities, churches, NGOs, and human rights groups.
Working for justice and peace for Guatemala and San Salvador with the Sanctuary Committee
Working for the lifting of the sanctions against Iraq
Chaplain of Pax Christi since 2005
Chaplain of Communion and Liberation since 2007
Chaplain of the Thomas More Society of Catholic Lawyers since 2008

He created an exhibit on the Holy Land at St. Thomas More Church, where people may visit Palestine, Israel, Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon in person or virtually here [click] on the internet.

Al-Bushra was the first in the world to broadcast LIVE on the internet in 1998 the midnight Mass from Bethlehem as well as Holy Thursday and Easter Masses from Jerusalem and also the Feast of the Annunciation Mass from Nazareth.

In 2010 Msgr. Labib covered the outside walls of St. Thomas More Church with murals depicting the rich cultural heritage of parishioners. Click here for the write-up in Catholic San Francisco.

Awards

1992 Youth Group Chaplain Award from the Latin Vicariate of Jordan
1997 American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, (ADC)Los Angeles and Orange County as the man of the year and received the "Alex Odeh Humanitarian Award".
1997 Arab American Roman Catholic Community of San Francisco Award
1998 Arab American Roman Catholic Community of Los Angeles Award
Al-Bushra participated inJune 1999 at the International Festival for Websites in Milan, Italy
1999 Daily Catholics best Al-Bushra SITE OF THE DAY Date: 2/8/99
1999 Justice and Peace CIN List (Catholic Information Center) Recognition Al-Bushra website
April, 15, 2000 The Arab Cultural Center Millennium Award
October 1, 2000 Jordanian American Association Award
October 1, 2000 Arab Amercian Community Award, San Francisco
October 20, 2000 Holy Land Christian Ecumenical Foundation Award
Albawada.com: five trees for Al-Bushra (at: Albawaba)\Novemebr 17, 2000, Arab American Community Award, Los Angeles
December 25th 2000. Bethlehem.org, the web of the week (www.kath.net - katholische Online-Zeitung aus Österreich)
May 26, 2001. American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee / SF Chapter (ADC) Award
October 9, 2009 American Heritage and Community Center Award for accomplishments in the Bay Area

sekarang kita lihat bagaimana pengakuan jujurnya:

http://www.al-bushra.org/arbhrtg/arbxtn04.htm

Recently Father Pecerillo, a famous Franciscan Archiologist, found morethan twenty churches in Madaba at the south of Jordan. From the Forth Century we found houses in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Palestine with this inscriptionin Arabic :"Bism El-Lah al Rahman al Rahim" that showed that Christians were the first to use this name so as to indicate their beliefin the Holy Trinity, more than two hundred years before Islam.

ditemukan lebih dari dua puluh gereja di Madaba di bagian selatan Yordania, di Suriah, Lebanon, Irak dan Palestina dengan Arab inscriptionin: "Bism El-Lah al Rahman al Rahim" yang menunjukkan bahwa orang Kristen adalah yang pertama pakai itu nama, sehingga dapat menunjukkan Keyakinan Tritunggal Mahakudus , lebih dari dua ratus tahun sebelum Islam.

@All
.........Sedikit saja -> Fakta adalah logika yang paling tidak terbantahkan

by **ramayana** Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:17 pm

musicman wrote:
Fact -> Fakta:
Saya ambil dari tulisan saya sendiri disini:

http://www.laskarislam.com/t5627-musicmanbuktikan-kepada-saya-revolt-yahwh-allah-swt

Tulisan seorang Pastur Khatolik dan pernah menjadi Imam dibawah ini, yaitu :

Dr. Fr.Labib Kobti

http://www.al-bushra.org/labibbio.htm

Biography
Born in Beirut, Lebanon on August 31, 1950 (Son of Fawzi Francis Kobti and Verginie Elias El-Sharif). Studied at the Latin Patriarchate Seminary of Jerusalem from 1963-1975. Worked as a teacher at Terra Santa College 1973-1974 (Franciscan Fathers of the Custody of the Holy Land) in Bethlehem and director of the Youth Groups at Frères School in Bethlehem 1972-1974.

Ordained priest on July 6th 1975 at the Capuchin Cathedral of Beirut, Lebanon. Worked as Assistant pastor at Beit-Jala Parish from 1975-1977. Assistant parish priest at the Parish of Hashimy / Jordan 1977-1978. Teacher at the Seminary of Beit-Jala and Co-director for the Priestly and religious vocation office for the diocese (Jordan, Palestine and Israel) from 1979-1992. He taught Latin, French, Music, Geography, History, and Church History at the Seminary. He was at the same time spiritual director for minor and major Seminarians and a teacher of religion at the parish Schools in Beit-Jala and Bethlehem.

In 1982 he was sent to Rome to study Canon Law. Earned his Ph.D. in Canon Law in 1985 from the Lateran University.

Was sent then to serve as secretary to the Apostolic Vicariate of Lebanon 1985-1986. Worked as judge and defender of bond at the Latin, Syrian, and Chaldean Ecclesiastical Tribunals in Beirut, Lebanon.

Was sent back to Rome in 1987 to continue his studies in theology and was awarded his MA in Theology (Ecclesiology). He worked as assistant pastor at Jesus the Worker parish in Rome. Was recruited by the Vatican to study at the Pontifical Academy that prepares the Vatican Diplomats in 1989-1990. Because of health problems at that time, he had to leave his studies. Was sent to serve as Parish priest in Marj Al Hamam, Jordan 1990-1992.

Was sent in 1992 by Patriarch Michel Sabbah to serve the Arab-American Catholic Community in California. He established two missions, St. Joseph in Pomona and St. Anne of the Sunset in San Francisco, commuting every week between the two missions for six years, serving at the same time the Arab-American Catholics in Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon.

He created a magazine Al Bushra (5 thousand copies) in English and Arabic. The magazine addressed topics pertaining to Christian Arab Heritage, the challenges of the Christians of the Middle East, and the rights of the Arab People. He worked as a second judge and defender of the bond at the Maronite Tribunal in Los Angeles.

In the summer of 1994 he created the widely acclaimed Al-Bushra website to promote justice, peace, and truth on issues of Middle East Human Rights. A much sought after speaker and human rights advocate, he has many organizations and universities on the issues of the Holy Land.

In October 1997 he was chosen by the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, (ADC) Los Angeles and Orange County as the man of the year and received the "Alex Odeh Humanitarian Award".

In November 1998 he was assigned to serve only San Francisco as the Latin Patriarchate sent another priest to serve Los Angeles and Southern California.

Was assigned by Archbishop William Levada as Pastor of St. John of God (1290 Fifth Ave, San Francisco, CA 94122), effective July 1999, in addition to his work as Pastor of the Arab-American Roman Catholic Community in Northern California. His direct superior as a diocesan priest is the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem. He speaks Arabic, French, English, Italian, Spanish. Granted bi-ritual faculties, he celebrates the Latin Rite and Maronite rite (the Maronite rite uses the Siro-Aramaic language of Jesus at their liturgy). Served at SJOG through June 30, 2002.

In 1999 he was invited to join the Knights of Holy Sepuchre, he was invested by Cardinal Roger Mahony, Archbishop of Los Angeles in October 1999 in Phoenix, Arizona.

He was assigned, effective July 1, 2002, as pastor of St. Thomas More (1300 Junipero Serra Boulevard, San Francisco, CA 94132). St. Thomas More Church became the new home of the Arab-American Catholic Community in Northern California.

Appointments and Accomplishments include

Cofounder of the Holy Land Christian Ecumenical Foundation in 1999 in Washington D. C.
Founded in San Francisco, April 1999, the Catholic Business Network (CBN-SF), an organization that wants to apply the principles of the Catholic Faith in the marketplace
Founded in San Francisco a Committee for Justice and Peace at St. John of God in 1999
Invitations to speak from the ADC, the International Catholic Forum, the Open Tent Middle Eastern Coalition, and numerous universities, churches, NGOs, and human rights groups.
Working for justice and peace for Guatemala and San Salvador with the Sanctuary Committee
Working for the lifting of the sanctions against Iraq
Chaplain of Pax Christi since 2005
Chaplain of Communion and Liberation since 2007
Chaplain of the Thomas More Society of Catholic Lawyers since 2008

He created an exhibit on the Holy Land at St. Thomas More Church, where people may visit Palestine, Israel, Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon in person or virtually here [click] on the internet.

Al-Bushra was the first in the world to broadcast LIVE on the internet in 1998 the midnight Mass from Bethlehem as well as Holy Thursday and Easter Masses from Jerusalem and also the Feast of the Annunciation Mass from Nazareth.

In 2010 Msgr. Labib covered the outside walls of St. Thomas More Church with murals depicting the rich cultural heritage of parishioners. Click here for the write-up in Catholic San Francisco.

Awards

1992 Youth Group Chaplain Award from the Latin Vicariate of Jordan
1997 American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, (ADC)Los Angeles and Orange County as the man of the year and received the "Alex Odeh Humanitarian Award".
1997 Arab American Roman Catholic Community of San Francisco Award
1998 Arab American Roman Catholic Community of Los Angeles Award
Al-Bushra participated inJune 1999 at the International Festival for Websites in Milan, Italy
1999 Daily Catholics best Al-Bushra SITE OF THE DAY Date: 2/8/99
1999 Justice and Peace CIN List (Catholic Information Center) Recognition Al-Bushra website
April, 15, 2000 The Arab Cultural Center Millennium Award
October 1, 2000 Jordanian American Association Award
October 1, 2000 Arab Amercian Community Award, San Francisco
October 20, 2000 Holy Land Christian Ecumenical Foundation Award
Albawada.com: five trees for Al-Bushra (at: Albawaba)\Novemebr 17, 2000, Arab American Community Award, Los Angeles
December 25th 2000. Bethlehem.org, the web of the week (www.kath.net - katholische Online-Zeitung aus Österreich)
May 26, 2001. American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee / SF Chapter (ADC) Award
October 9, 2009 American Heritage and Community Center Award for accomplishments in the Bay Area

sekarang kita lihat bagaimana pengakuan jujurnya:

http://www.al-bushra.org/arbhrtg/arbxtn04.htm

Recently Father Pecerillo, a famous Franciscan Archiologist, found morethan twenty churches in Madaba at the south of Jordan. From the Forth Century we found houses in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Palestine with this inscriptionin Arabic :"Bism El-Lah al Rahman al Rahim" that showed that Christians were the first to use this name so as to indicate their beliefin the Holy Trinity, more than two hundred years before Islam.

ditemukan lebih dari dua puluh gereja di Madaba di bagian selatan Yordania, di Suriah, Lebanon, Irak dan Palestina dengan Arab inscriptionin: "Bism El-Lah al Rahman al Rahim" yang menunjukkan bahwa orang Kristen adalah yang pertama pakai itu nama, sehingga dapat menunjukkan Keyakinan Tritunggal Mahakudus , lebih dari dua ratus tahun sebelum Islam.

@All
.........Sedikit saja -> Fakta adalah logika yang paling tidak terbantahkan

ditemukan lebih dari dua puluh gereja di Madaba di bagian selatan Yordania, di Suriah, Lebanon, Irak dan Palestina dengan Arab inscriptionin: "Bism El-Lah al Rahman al Rahim" yang menunjukkan bahwa orang Kristen adalah yang pertama pakai itu nama, sehingga dapat menunjukkan Keyakinan Tritunggal Mahakudus , lebih dari dua ratus tahun sebelum Islam.

sip mus... ada yg ga ente garis bawahi...

menunjukkan Keyakinan Tritunggal Mahakudus , lebih dari dua ratus tahun sebelum Islam

apa arti "Bism El-Lah al Rahman al Rahim"

ternyata dalam nama Bapa dan Anak dan Roh Kudus. ane cari dulu linknya..

jadi arti "Bism El-Lah al Rahman al Rahim" adalah Dalam Nama Bapa dan Anak dan Roh Kudus.

wong jelas di link ente sana dikatakan trinitas kok.

by **ramayana** Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:32 pm

Bism El-l:ah al Rahman l Rahim
In the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost

Father = Elah = Elooha /Elaha (Syric)
Son = Rahman = Rahmano (Syric)
Holy Spirit = Rahim = Rahemo (Syric)

And that’s what I have told Ysihan long time ago. It’s a Christian Basmallah long before Islam and it’s an Aramaic style Basmmallah that reflect the Christian belief; in the name of the FATHER, the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT.

What is interesting also about Osama is his “ugly” plagiarism…. and ….you know better the rest concerning the above!

Faisal

http://www.answer-islam.org/Osamalie.html

by **musicman** Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:03 am

-Nama saya Musicman, tapi dikantor nama saya adalah ****N
-Di forum ini saya ngga berwujud fisik..tapi dikantor saya berwujud fisik..

Bicara trinitas tidak akan membantah saya adalah orang yg itu2 juga..

Karena itu saya katakan...fakta adalah Logika yg tidak bisa dibantah siapapun. Apalagi...... artefak ditemukan di tanah para nabi.

Perfect!

by **abu hanan** Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:28 am

ramayana wrote:makanya ane nanya.. dimana dasar ente berkata nama TUHAN musa=nama TUHAN mohamad di quran?

udah jelas nama Allah tidak merujuk ke nama TUHAN YAHUDI! ini kalau berdasar quran dan pendapat muslim lho ya..

emang sayah pernah nulis "nama Tuhan musa = nama Tuhan nabi muhammad"?

dan uda jelas basa arab bukan basa ibrani..kalow yudaims menerima islam yah wajib pake nama allah,muslim murtad menjadi yahudi yah wajib baginyah pake yhwh..kalow kalian mah gak jelas..kadang pake allah,yhwh,bapa..

by **ramayana** Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:38 am

abu hanan wrote:
ramayana wrote:makanya ane nanya.. dimana dasar ente berkata nama TUHAN musa=nama TUHAN mohamad di quran?

udah jelas nama Allah tidak merujuk ke nama TUHAN YAHUDI! ini kalau berdasar quran dan pendapat muslim lho ya..
emang sayah pernah nulis "nama Tuhan musa = nama Tuhan nabi muhammad"?

dan uda jelas basa arab bukan basa ibrani..kalow yudaims menerima islam yah wajib pake nama allah,muslim murtad menjadi yahudi yah wajib baginyah pake yhwh..kalow kalian mah gak jelas..kadang pake allah,yhwh,bapa..

emang di quran nama nabi musa dan nabi mohamad beda ya??? ente ga pernah anggap dan ga percaya Tuhan musa ama mohamad sama? hehehehehehehe..

kapan kami pakai Allah untuk nama TUHAN???

ini kenapa muslim muter muter di mari terus sih??? kami ga pernah punya TUHAN bernama Allah!!!

by **ramayana** Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:53 am

musicman wrote:-Nama saya Musicman, tapi dikantor nama saya adalah ****N
-Di forum ini saya ngga berwujud fisik..tapi dikantor saya berwujud fisik..

Bicara trinitas tidak akan membantah saya adalah orang yg itu2 juga..

Karena itu saya katakan...fakta adalah Logika yg tidak bisa dibantah siapapun. Apalagi...... artefak ditemukan di tanah para nabi.

Perfect!

dikantor nama saya adalah ****N

nama ente Anton?? hehehehe..

mus, kok ente ga ja jawab masalah ini.. ini fakta lho.. bukan bualan.

link dari musicman wrote:Recently Father Pecerillo, a famous Franciscan Archiologist, found morethan twenty churches in Madaba at the south of Jordan. From the Forth Century we found houses in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Palestine with this inscriptionin Arabic :"Bism El-Lah al Rahman al Rahim" that showed that Christians were the first to use this name so as to indicate their beliefin the Holy Trinity, more than two hundred years before Islam.

ditemukan lebih dari dua puluh gereja di Madaba di bagian selatan Yordania, di Suriah, Lebanon, Irak dan Palestina dengan Arab inscriptionin: "Bism El-Lah al Rahman al Rahim" yang menunjukkan bahwa orang Kristen adalah yang pertama pakai itu nama, sehingga dapat menunjukkan Keyakinan Tritunggal Mahakudus , lebih dari dua ratus tahun sebelum Islam.

"Bism El-Lah al Rahman al Rahim" adalah trinitas! kurang jelas apa coba kata kata link ente.. emang ada ya trinitas yang berkata dalam nama Allah yang maha pengasih dan penyayang??

jadi setiap muslim berkata bismilah.. itu sebenarnya menyebut trinitas hahahahaha..

fakta emang logika tak terbantahkan hahahahahaha...

by **frontline defender** Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:48 pm

nama Tuhan Kristen ternyata Allah! lol

by **ramayana** Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:04 pm

frontline defender wrote:nama Tuhan Kristen ternyata Allah!

ngawurnya keluar hahahahahahaha...

by **frontline defender** Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:27 am

"Bism El-Lah..." = "Dengan Nama/Asma Allah..." paus

by **ramayana** Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:33 am

frontline defender wrote:"Bism El-Lah..." = "Dengan Nama/Asma Allah..."

ini artinya Atas nama BAPA! hahahahahaha..

by **abu hanan** Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:51 am

kapan kami pakai Allah untuk nama
TUHAN???

@ramayana
kalow "kami" itu orang melayu yah sayah mau bilang apa?
perjelas dulu dunk "kami" nya lebih spesifik?
semua kristen dari pra islam sampe sekarang?atow bugimanah?

by **ramayana** Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:10 pm

abu hanan wrote:
kapan kami pakai Allah untuk nama
TUHAN???
@ramayana
kalow "kami" itu orang melayu yah sayah mau bilang apa?
perjelas dulu dunk "kami" nya lebih spesifik?
semua kristen dari pra islam sampe sekarang?atow bugimanah?

bu, ente cari alkitab arab online.. dan lihat aja nama YHWH di terjemahkan jadi apa disana??

kata allah di terjemahkan di malaysia dan indo adalah pengganti kata elohim. yg mana kalau di terjemahkan bebas jadi Tuhan atau dewa. atau sesembahan. atau ilah kalau bahasa arab!

by **Mutiara** Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:16 pm

buang saja itu kitab sam[ah injilmu itu.

Salah terjemahan, alah kok untuk menerjemahkan God, kata umum tuhan. dan elohim justru tidak diterjemahkan.

yang BENAR itu, Allah adalah nama KHUSUS tuhan, tuhannya muslim, satu-satunya tuhan yang asli.

elohom itu cuma ketikan ejaan kata Allah dalam bahasa yahudi, nabi Musa pun sebenarnya melafalkan Allah untuk menyebut nama tuhannya.

Nabi Musa dan juga nabi Adam hingga nabi Muhammad, semua para nabi itu adalah muslim, dan hanya menyembah Allah saja.
.,

by **ramayana** Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:59 pm

@ mut..

seperti biasa.. kaor koar ga mutu!

udah ngawur, ga pakai sumber valid lagi..

saat ini, siapa sih yg percaya dan masih menganggap ocehan ente mut??

by **Mutiara** Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:03 pm

wk wk panik dan syok yah kamu.

Tuh lihat sendiri sana, apa yang injil melayu/bhs indonesia itu terjemahkan. Kata alah di injil palsu itu bukannya untuk menerjemahkan ejaan elohim, tapi malah untuk menerjemahkan kata GOD, yang sebenarnya sebutan tuhan secara umum,yakni illah. Padahal kata Allah itu adalah nama KHUSUS tuhan, tuhannya muslim, Allah sang pencipta yang asli.

bukan yang ngco seperti ini http://www.laskarislam.com/t7323-bukti-bukti-kepalsuan-injil

by **SEGOROWEDI** Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:39 am

el/eloah/elohim dicontek dan disulap dijadikan nama ilahnya muhammad..

by **Mutiara** Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:16 am

nope, justru elohim itu yang salah ketik, salah ejaan.
Nabi Musa menyebut Allah, dieja sebagai elohim. Padahal tuhan asli, tuhannya Musa dan tuhannya seluruh para nabi menghendaki disebut sebagai Allah.

by **SEGOROWEDI** Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:19 am

itu sebutan/gelar, bukan nama..
muhammad ngawur, mencomot/mencontek sebutan/gelar tersebut
lalu disulap selip dijadikan nama zat fiktif yang disembahnya

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