Nabi Mohamad mengakui Trinitas dan keaslian Injil!

Amma ba’du: Aku memuji Allah padamun yang tidak ada tuhan selain Dia, Yang Maha Menguasai, Maha Suci, Maha Penyelamat, Maha Pemberi Aman dan Maha Pembeda. Aku bersaksi bahwa Isa anak Maryam ruh Allah, dan firmanNya yang diberikan kepada Maryam yang suci lagi perawan, lalu ia hamil dari ruh dan tiupannya, sebagaimana Ia menciptakan Adam dengan tanganNya.

Wahai orang-orang Ahli Kitab. Marilah sama-sama kita berpegang pada kata yang sama antara kami dan kamu, yakni bahwa tak ada yang kita sembah selain Allah dan kita tidak akan mempersekutukan-Nya dengan apa pun, bahwa yang satu takkan mengambil yang lain menjadi tuhan selain Allah. Tetapi kalau mereka mengelak juga, katakanlah kepada mereka, saksikanlah bahwa kami ini orang-orang Islam."

ramayana wrote:

iam root wrote:

Ashhamah An-Najasyi wrote:Saya telah menerima surat Tuan, wahai Rasulullah, yang di dalamnya Tuan sebutkan masalah Isa. Demi Allah, yang menguasai langit dan bumi, sesungguh­nya Isa tidak lebih mengerti dari apa yang Tuan sebutkan itu, dan sesungguhnya dia memang seperti yang telah Tuan kirim­kan kepada kami.

hehhee si Ashhamah An-Najasyi saja ngerti kok Isa itu bukan Tuhan

mana ada tulisan kalau Isa bukan Tuhan?

ingat, orang ini ga pernah jadi islam! hanya sumber islam yg berkata kalau dia muslim. alias kalau surat balasan ini di duga palsu!

iam root wrote:

ramayana wrote:

iam root wrote:

Ashhamah An-Najasyi wrote:Saya telah menerima surat Tuan, wahai Rasulullah, yang di dalamnya Tuan sebutkan masalah Isa. Demi Allah, yang menguasai langit dan bumi, sesungguh­nya Isa tidak lebih mengerti dari apa yang Tuan sebutkan itu, dan sesungguhnya dia memang seperti yang telah Tuan kirim­kan kepada kami.

hehhee si Ashhamah An-Najasyi saja ngerti kok Isa itu bukan Tuhan

mana ada tulisan kalau Isa bukan Tuhan?

ingat, orang ini ga pernah jadi islam! hanya sumber islam yg berkata kalau dia muslim. alias kalau surat balasan ini di duga palsu!

ohh ok, emang ada tulisan isa = tuhan? emang disini siapa yang ruhnya bukan dari Tuhan? eh.. btw ruh loe darimana ram? jangan2 beda pandangan lagi ini... maklum gak banyak tau ajaran kristen gw... hehhee maklum yaaaa pak rama...yana...

Insya Allah wrote:

SEGOROWEDI wrote:
firman Allah kalau bukan Allah sendiri

dibilangin.. quran tidak mengenal konsep firman allah = allah..

firman allah ya firman allah. kamu cari aja kobok-kobok quran, gak akan ada perkataan bahwasanya firman allah adalah allah itu sendiri, yang menjelma, yang menyerupai.. ngga ada.

alquran saja merupakan firman allah namun tidak menjadikan alquran itu sendiri sebagai tuhan. mengerti?

Ramayana wrote:jadi ruh ente dari ruh Allah ya?

ane nanya deh, kalau ente masuk neraka, yg di bakar ruh siapa? ruh Allah? hehehe

kalau di Alkitab, roh manusia adalah roh ciptaan. hanya YESUS yg punya ROH TUHAN.

dan Yesus yg di islam di sebut Isa ini diakui oleh nabi Mohamad emang punya Roh TUHAN ini.

Kalo body ogut mengalami kerusakan / tidak mumpuni lagi untuk hidup, Jiwa tetap hidup dibawah naungan Ruh. Di neraka nanti Jiwa lah yang disiksa, melalui si body yang nanti di rekonstruksi berulang-ulang (regenerasi sel) di kondisi alam ekstrim yang tak cocok dengannya.

jiwa, tubuh, dan roh. ini ajaran siapa ya? emang di islam ada ajaran ini? bisa ente kasih dalil? atau ente nyontek di kristen?

ane nanya deh. ente bilang kalau jiwa yg merasa sakit.
benarkah???

apakah orang yg lumpuh dan ga rasa sakit terhadap tubuhnya maka jiwanya udah mati??

kalau ruh Allah yg di dalam manusia masuk neraka, bukankah itu sama aja Allah masuk neraka? hehehe

jadi di neraka mereka keadaan cacat!

mengenai rohul kudus, ente keliru kasif referensi kalau mau nunjukin rohul kudus versi quran adalah gabriel bin jibril hahahahahaha. mau ane ajaran? payah!

iam root wrote:

jiwa, tubuh, dan roh. ini ajaran siapa ya? emang di islam ada ajaran ini? bisa ente kasih dalil? atau ente nyontek di kristen?

dalil? kupikir ente udah khatam quran... dicari saja

Talking about begging the question! Abualrub has provided a classic textbook example of circular reasoning, assuming what he has yet to prove. Not one of these texts says that the Spirit of faith or Holy Spirit is Gabriel. Let me quote the references so that the readers can see this for themselves:

Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims. S. 16:102

Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds: With it came down the spirit of Faith and Truth- To thy heart and mind, that thou mayest admonish. S. 26:192-194 Y. Ali

These citations simply say that the Holy Spirit or the Spirit of faith is an agent used to convey the revelation. This next reference cited by Abualrub actually works against him:

The angels AND the spirit (almala-ikatu WA al-roohu) ascend unto him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years: S. 70:4 Y. Ali

The Spirit here is distinguished from the angels which serves to affirm that he is not the angel Gabriel. After all, Gabriel would be naturally included within this group of angels and yet the text separates the Spirit from them. In order to show how this actually proves that the Spirit and Gabriel are not the same entity note the following texts:

Verily, those who disbelieve, and die while they are disbelievers, it is they on whom is the Curse of Allah AND of the angels (Allahi WA almala-ikati) and of mankind, combined. S. 2:161 Hilali-Khan

Or you cause the heaven to fall upon us in pieces, as you have pretended, or you bring Allah AND the angels (biAllahi WA almala-ikati) before (us) face to face; S. 17:92 Hilali-Khan

Nay! When the earth is pounded to powder, And thy Lord cometh, AND His angels (rabbuka WA almalaku), rank upon rank, S. 89:21-22 Y. Ali

The reader can easily see that these verses are clearly differentiating Allah from the angels, and yet a similar construction is used in Sura 70:4. The real reason why a person would assume that the Spirit is not being differentiated from the angels is due to a prior assumption that the Spirit is actually angel Gabriel.

In fact, it is primarily due to this presupposition that Abualrub thinks that this next text proves that Gabriel is the Spirit:

Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by God's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,- S. 2:97 Y. Ali

It seems that Abualrub is erroneously assuming that since the Quran mentions that both the Spirit and Gabriel supposedly brought down the Quran (we say supposedly since neither entity was responsible for the composition of the Quran) this therefore implies that they must be one and the same. His logic goes something like this:

Allah used the Holy Spirit to bring down the inspiration.
Allah used Gabriel to bring down the inspiration.
Therefore, the Holy Spirit is Gabriel.

The problem with this view is that Abualrub is operating under the erroneous assumption that only one entity brought down the revelation. For Abualrub’s logic to be valid he must prove that the Quran expressly states that Allah used only one being to convey the revelations. Yet as anyone having read the Quran can verify, and as Abualrub who has read the Quran and has translated works by Muslim scholars should know, the Quran does not say that Allah used only one entity to inspire Muhammad with the message. Rather, the Quran expressly says that Allah used more than one messenger to bring down his words:

By those who bring down the Reminder, S. 77:5 Pickthall

The Reminder, according to the Quran, refers to the revelation given to the prophets, specifically Muhammad:

And they say: O thou unto whom the Reminder is revealed, lo! thou art indeed a madman!… Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder, and lo! We verily are its Guardian. S. 15:6, 9 Pickthall

Here is how one commentary attributed to Ibn Abbas interprets Sura 77:5:

(By those who bring down the Reminder) and He swore by THOSE who bring down the revelations, (Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs; source; bold, capital and underline emphasis ours)

Since this citation is speaking about the giving of revelation this therefore implies that those who brought it down is a reference to the angels, an understanding shared by some Muslim translators and commentators:

And by the angels that bring the revelations to the Messengers, Hilali-Khan

by the casters of the remembrance, that is, [by] angels that descend with the revelation upon the prophets and messengers, casting the revelation onto the [various] communities [of mankind], (Tafsir al-Jalalayn; source; bold and underline emphasis ours)

There is another text which shows that more than one entity was involved in giving the inspiration:

(The angels say:) "WE descend not but by command of thy Lord: to Him belongeth what is before US and what is behind US, and what is between: and thy Lord never doth forget, -" S. 19:64 Y. Ali

And we (angels) descend not except by the Command of your Lord (O Muhammad SAW). To Him belongs what is before US and what is behind US, and what is between those two, and your Lord is never forgetful, Hilali-Khan

It becomes quite clear when we take all these passages into consideration that, according to the Quran, Allah used the Holy Spirit and the angels such as Gabriel to bring down the messages. Since the Quran expressly states that there were several entities involved in inspiring Muhammad on what grounds does Abualrub therefore assume that Gabriel must be the Holy Spirit?

As if the foregoing wasn’t sufficient to refute the assertion that the Holy Spirit is Gabriel according to the Quran, note what the following citation says:

And they ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning the Ruh (the Spirit); Say: "The Ruh (the Spirit): it is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little." S. 17:85 Hilali-Khan

Here was a golden opportunity for Muhammad to have come out and said that the Spirit is Gabriel, the angel of revelation. Instead, he emphatically denies knowing the identity and nature of the Spirit! It seems that Abualrub knows more than his own prophet since he seems to definitely know who the Spirit is whereas Muhammad and his source clearly didn’t.

Summary of Quranic Data: Though the Quran is not a revelation from the true God and Lord of all, an examination of its contents shows that it claims to have been revealed through several mediums such as the Holy Spirit and angels like Gabriel. In light of this, Abualrub has failed to answer our challenge to prove from the Quran that Gabriel is actually the Holy Spirit of God. And instead of allowing the Quran to speak for itself regarding the identity of the Holy Spirit he reads into the texts of his own scripture a belief which he thinks is taught within its pages. The reality, however, is that Abualrub forces the texts to say what they do not say in order to garner support for his presupposition that the Spirit is Gabriel, and in so doing he ends up distorting the Quran.

Conclusion: 1) The Quran DOES NOT say that the Spirit is Gabriel.

ghazia wrote:Judulnya sudah cerminan kwalitas cetek si ts.mengakui tuhan tiga tp ayat lain sudah disebutkan isa menolak dirinya tuhan. Kesian..butuh pengakuan dr nabi Muhammad untuk mengeksiskan yesusmu ya? Haha

malah nanya jiwa nyaman lagi. jiwa itu kan ga bisa di tentukan!
ada orang yg bahagia walau lumpuh! ada yg sengsara dan menderita batin walau sehat!
gimana menentukan sehat atau ga jiwanya berdasar dari fisiknya?

emang Roh bisa di tombak ya??? ane kok heran ama cara mikir manusia kaum seberang ini???

kalau bukan Roh, lalu apa yg buat manusia "hidup" saat di neraka?

bilang kalau tubuh di rekonstruksi. ane bawa dasar kalau mereka cacat disana terus ngeles. nyuruh ane bawa imajinasi? agama ente ini kenyataan atau imajinasi?? hahahahahaha

makanya aku tanya, kalo ente keberatan ruh (potensi hidup/mati makhluk) gak bisa ditombak, trus bisa dibakar di neraka?

SEGOROWEDI wrote:
firman Allah kalau bukan Allah sendiri
trus siapa bil?

ramayana wrote:Nabi berkata dan menjelaskan trinitas. kenapa muslim ga belajar dari nabinya ya?
malah koar kaor TUHAN kristen 3 melulu.

Ibnu Sabil wrote:

SEGOROWEDI wrote:
firman Allah kalau bukan Allah sendiri
trus siapa bil?

Kamu lihat dasar dari kata firman....
Firman itu perkataan,sabda atau perintah kan wed...?
Jadi kalow kamu mengatakan jika firman Allah adalah Allah sendiri ya nyemplung....

Ibnu Sabil wrote:

ramayana wrote:Nabi berkata dan menjelaskan trinitas. kenapa muslim ga belajar dari nabinya ya?
malah koar kaor TUHAN kristen 3 melulu.

Sudah sangat jelas semua perkataan nabi adalah menolak trinitas....kalian saja yang maksain biar kita ikutan percaya....
Jika nabi menolak.....mosok kita harus terima....trinitas itu buat kalian2 saja.

SEGOROWEDI wrote:

Ibnu Sabil wrote:

SEGOROWEDI wrote:
firman Allah kalau bukan Allah sendiri
trus siapa bil?

Kamu lihat dasar dari kata firman....
Firman itu perkataan,sabda atau perintah kan wed...?
Jadi kalow kamu mengatakan jika firman Allah adalah Allah sendiri ya nyemplung....

kok nyemplung gimana..
kalau bukan Allah, trus siapa?

SEGOROWEDI wrote:
perkataan,sabda atau perintah siapa, bil?