diskusi tentang yohanes 1:18 yuk!!!!

Jesus love Us wrote:maksudnya apa yah si TS ini?

Jesus love Us wrote:maksudnya apa yah si TS ini?

ichreza wrote:

Jesus love Us wrote:maksudnya apa yah si TS ini?

maksud daripada om HT adalah tafsir daripada ayat tersebut bagaimana menurut om Jesus?

Jesus love Us wrote:

hamba tuhan wrote:

Jesus love Us wrote:maksudnya apa yah si TS ini?

neh nak barabas atau asistennya ya.... kalo asistennya pantes aja msh bingung.... heheeee

Joh 1:18 Tidak seorangpun yang pernah melihat Allah; tetapi Anak Tunggal Allah, yang ada di pangkuan Bapa, Dialah yang menyatakan-Nya
KJV Joh 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him].

coba jelaskan maksud yohanes 1:18 nak barabas.......

saya minta diterangkan..malah dicopas ulang

Jesus love Us wrote:kenapa?
mau ngoceh kalo tuh ayat bilang gk ada yg pernah liat Bapa, Tapi Musa pernah?

Kristolog kelas KW kau..ketebak!

hamba tuhan wrote:Joh 1:18 Tidak seorangpun yang pernah melihat Allah; tetapi Anak Tunggal Allah, yang ada di pangkuan Bapa, Dialah yang menyatakan-Nya
KJV Joh 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him].

coba jelaskan maksud yohanes 1:18 nak barabas.......

barabasmurtad wrote:

hamba tuhan wrote:Joh 1:18 Tidak seorangpun yang pernah melihat Allah; tetapi Anak Tunggal Allah, yang ada di pangkuan Bapa, Dialah yang menyatakan-Nya
KJV Joh 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him].

coba jelaskan maksud yohanes 1:18 nak barabas.......

Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

SAYA POSTINGKAN TAFSIRAN GILL UNTUK Yoh.1:18
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time,.... That is, God the Father, whose voice was never heard, nor his shape seen by angels or men; for though Jacob, Moses, the elders of Israel, Manoah, and his wife, are said to see God, and Job expected to see him with his bodily eyes, and the saints will see him as he is, in which will lie their great happiness; yet all seems to be understood of the second person, who frequently appeared to the Old Testament saints, in an human form, and will be seen by the saints in heaven, in his real human nature; or of God in and by him: for the essence of God is invisible, and not to be seen with the eyes of the body; nor indeed with the eyes of the understanding, so as to comprehend it; nor immediately, but through, and by certain means: God is seen in the works of creation and providence, in the promises, and in his ordinances; but above all, in Christ the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person: this may chiefly intend here, man's not knowing any thing of God in a spiritual and saving way, but in and by Christ; since it follows,

the only begotten Son; the word that was with God in the beginning. The Jerusalem Targum on Gen_3:22 says almost the same of the word of the Lord, as here, where it introduces him saying,

"the word of the Lord God said, lo, the man whom I created, the only one in my world, even as I am, יחידי, "the only one", (or, as the word is sometimes rendered, "the only begotten",) in the highest heavens.

And to the same purpose the Targum of Jonathan, and also Jarchi, on the same place. The Syriac version here renders it, "the only begotten, God which is in the bosom of the Father"; clearly showing, that he is the only begotten, as he is God: the phrase,

which is in the bosom of the Father, denotes unity of nature, and essence, in the Father and Son; their distinct personality; strong love, and affection between them; the Son's acquaintance with his Father's secrets; his being at that time, as the Son of God, in the bosom of his Father, when here on earth, as the son of man; and which qualified him to make the declaration of him:

he hath declared him. The Persic and Ethiopic versions further add, "to us"; he has clearly and fully declared his nature, perfections, purposes, promises, counsels, covenant, word, and works; his thoughts and schemes of grace; his love and favour to the sons of men; his mind and will concerning the salvation of his people: he has made, and delivered a fuller revelation of these things, than ever was yet; and to which no other revelation in the present state of things will be added. Somewhat like this the Jews (n) say of the Messiah,

"there is none that can declare the name of his Father, and that knows him; but this is hid from the eyes of the multitude, until he comes, ויגידהו, "and he shall declare him".

hamba tuhan wrote:

barabasmurtad wrote:

hamba tuhan wrote:Joh 1:18 Tidak seorangpun yang pernah melihat Allah; tetapi Anak Tunggal Allah, yang ada di pangkuan Bapa, Dialah yang menyatakan-Nya
KJV Joh 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him].

coba jelaskan maksud yohanes 1:18 nak barabas.......

Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

SAYA POSTINGKAN TAFSIRAN GILL UNTUK Yoh.1:18
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time,.... That is, God the Father, whose voice was never heard, nor his shape seen by angels or men; for though Jacob, Moses, the elders of Israel, Manoah, and his wife, are said to see God, and Job expected to see him with his bodily eyes, and the saints will see him as he is, in which will lie their great happiness; yet all seems to be understood of the second person, who frequently appeared to the Old Testament saints, in an human form, and will be seen by the saints in heaven, in his real human nature; or of God in and by him: for the essence of God is invisible, and not to be seen with the eyes of the body; nor indeed with the eyes of the understanding, so as to comprehend it; nor immediately, but through, and by certain means: God is seen in the works of creation and providence, in the promises, and in his ordinances; but above all, in Christ the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person: this may chiefly intend here, man's not knowing any thing of God in a spiritual and saving way, but in and by Christ; since it follows,

the only begotten Son; the word that was with God in the beginning. The Jerusalem Targum on Gen_3:22 says almost the same of the word of the Lord, as here, where it introduces him saying,

"the word of the Lord God said, lo, the man whom I created, the only one in my world, even as I am, יחידי, "the only one", (or, as the word is sometimes rendered, "the only begotten",) in the highest heavens.

And to the same purpose the Targum of Jonathan, and also Jarchi, on the same place. The Syriac version here renders it, "the only begotten, God which is in the bosom of the Father"; clearly showing, that he is the only begotten, as he is God: the phrase,

which is in the bosom of the Father, denotes unity of nature, and essence, in the Father and Son; their distinct personality; strong love, and affection between them; the Son's acquaintance with his Father's secrets; his being at that time, as the Son of God, in the bosom of his Father, when here on earth, as the son of man; and which qualified him to make the declaration of him:

he hath declared him. The Persic and Ethiopic versions further add, "to us"; he has clearly and fully declared his nature, perfections, purposes, promises, counsels, covenant, word, and works; his thoughts and schemes of grace; his love and favour to the sons of men; his mind and will concerning the salvation of his people: he has made, and delivered a fuller revelation of these things, than ever was yet; and to which no other revelation in the present state of things will be added. Somewhat like this the Jews (n) say of the Messiah,

"there is none that can declare the name of his Father, and that knows him; but this is hid from the eyes of the multitude, until he comes, ויגידהו, "and he shall declare him".

Barabas : Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.
"there is none that can declare the name of his Father, and that knows him; but this is hid from the eyes of the multitude, until he comes, ויגידהו, "and he shall declare him".

HT : Joh 1:18 Tidak seorangpun yang pernah melihat Allah; tetapi Anak Tunggal Allah, yang ada di pangkuan Bapa, Dialah yang menyatakan-Nya

KJV Joh 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him].
PNT 1:18It is true that no one has ever seen God at anytime. Yet the divine and only Son, who lives in the closest intimacy with the Father, has made him known.
BBE 1:18No man has seen God at any time; the only Son, who is on the breast of the Father, he has made clear what God is.
TL 1:18 Maka Allah belum pernah dilihat oleh seorang jua pun; tetapi Anak yang tunggal, yang di atas pangku Bapa, Ialah yang sudah menyatakan Dia.

Manakah yang bener terjemahan yohanes 1:18 itu nak barabas.... ini dl kita luruskan, baru ntar maksud yohanes 1:18.... terjemahan aja msh simpang siur ya bingung......

barabasmurtad wrote:

hamba tuhan wrote:

barabasmurtad wrote:

hamba tuhan wrote:Joh 1:18 Tidak seorangpun yang pernah melihat Allah; tetapi Anak Tunggal Allah, yang ada di pangkuan Bapa, Dialah yang menyatakan-Nya
KJV Joh 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him].

coba jelaskan maksud yohanes 1:18 nak barabas.......

Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

SAYA POSTINGKAN TAFSIRAN GILL UNTUK Yoh.1:18
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time,.... That is, God the Father, whose voice was never heard, nor his shape seen by angels or men; for though Jacob, Moses, the elders of Israel, Manoah, and his wife, are said to see God, and Job expected to see him with his bodily eyes, and the saints will see him as he is, in which will lie their great happiness; yet all seems to be understood of the second person, who frequently appeared to the Old Testament saints, in an human form, and will be seen by the saints in heaven, in his real human nature; or of God in and by him: for the essence of God is invisible, and not to be seen with the eyes of the body; nor indeed with the eyes of the understanding, so as to comprehend it; nor immediately, but through, and by certain means: God is seen in the works of creation and providence, in the promises, and in his ordinances; but above all, in Christ the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person: this may chiefly intend here, man's not knowing any thing of God in a spiritual and saving way, but in and by Christ; since it follows,

the only begotten Son; the word that was with God in the beginning. The Jerusalem Targum on Gen_3:22 says almost the same of the word of the Lord, as here, where it introduces him saying,

"the word of the Lord God said, lo, the man whom I created, the only one in my world, even as I am, יחידי, "the only one", (or, as the word is sometimes rendered, "the only begotten",) in the highest heavens.

And to the same purpose the Targum of Jonathan, and also Jarchi, on the same place. The Syriac version here renders it, "the only begotten, God which is in the bosom of the Father"; clearly showing, that he is the only begotten, as he is God: the phrase,

which is in the bosom of the Father, denotes unity of nature, and essence, in the Father and Son; their distinct personality; strong love, and affection between them; the Son's acquaintance with his Father's secrets; his being at that time, as the Son of God, in the bosom of his Father, when here on earth, as the son of man; and which qualified him to make the declaration of him:

he hath declared him. The Persic and Ethiopic versions further add, "to us"; he has clearly and fully declared his nature, perfections, purposes, promises, counsels, covenant, word, and works; his thoughts and schemes of grace; his love and favour to the sons of men; his mind and will concerning the salvation of his people: he has made, and delivered a fuller revelation of these things, than ever was yet; and to which no other revelation in the present state of things will be added. Somewhat like this the Jews (n) say of the Messiah,

"there is none that can declare the name of his Father, and that knows him; but this is hid from the eyes of the multitude, until he comes, ויגידהו, "and he shall declare him".

Barabas : Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.
"there is none that can declare the name of his Father, and that knows him; but this is hid from the eyes of the multitude, until he comes, ויגידהו, "and he shall declare him".

HT : Joh 1:18 Tidak seorangpun yang pernah melihat Allah; tetapi Anak Tunggal Allah, yang ada di pangkuan Bapa, Dialah yang menyatakan-Nya

KJV Joh 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him].
PNT 1:18It is true that no one has ever seen God at anytime. Yet the divine and only Son, who lives in the closest intimacy with the Father, has made him known.
BBE 1:18No man has seen God at any time; the only Son, who is on the breast of the Father, he has made clear what God is.
TL 1:18 Maka Allah belum pernah dilihat oleh seorang jua pun; tetapi Anak yang tunggal, yang di atas pangku Bapa, Ialah yang sudah menyatakan Dia.

Manakah yang bener terjemahan yohanes 1:18 itu nak barabas.... ini dl kita luruskan, baru ntar maksud yohanes 1:18.... terjemahan aja msh simpang siur ya bingung......

MENANGGAPI SANGGAHAN ANDA SAYA POSTINGKAN TERJEMAHAN BERBAGAI VERSI YOH.1:18

ENGLISH STANDARD VERSION
Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.
DARBY
Joh 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, *he* hath declared him .
AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
KING JAMES VERSION
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
WEBSTER
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
BIBLE IN BASIC ENGLISH
Joh 1:18 No man has seen God at any time; the only Son, who is on the breast of the Father, he has made clear what God is.

CONTEMPORARY ENGLISH VERSION
Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who is truly God and is closest to the Father, has shown us what God is like.
SELURUH TERJEMAHAN BAHASA INGGRIS INI DIJELASKAN DENGAN TERJEMAHAN DARI CONTEMPORARY ENGLISH VERSION

hamba tuhan wrote:Joh 1:18 Tidak seorangpun yang pernah melihat Allah; tetapi Anak Tunggal Allah, yang ada di pangkuan Bapa, Dialah yang menyatakan-Nya
KJV Joh 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him].

coba jelaskan maksud yohanes 1:18 nak barabas.......

SEGOROWEDI wrote:

hamba tuhan wrote:Joh 1:18 Tidak seorangpun yang pernah melihat Allah; tetapi Anak Tunggal Allah, yang ada di pangkuan Bapa, Dialah yang menyatakan-Nya
KJV Joh 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him].

coba jelaskan maksud yohanes 1:18 nak barabas.......

kecuali Tuhan sendiri yang menghendaki, maka tidak ada yang melihat Allah (karena Allah itu ROH)
tetapi Allah yang tidak dapat dilihat tersebut menjadi nyata (baca: dapat dilihat) dalam sosok/rupa 'Anak Tunggal Allah' yaitu manusia YESUS

SEGOROWEDI wrote:Joh 1:18 Tidak seorangpun yang pernah melihat Allah; tetapi Anak Tunggal Allah, yang ada di pangkuan Bapa, Dialah yang menyatakan-Nya
KJV Joh 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him].

Tuhan tidak nyata (baca: tidak dapat dilihat)
Yesus menyatakan-Nya (baca: menjadikan-Nya nyata/dapat dilihat)

simpel

hamba tuhan wrote:

SEGOROWEDI wrote:

hamba tuhan wrote:Joh 1:18 Tidak seorangpun yang pernah melihat Allah; tetapi Anak Tunggal Allah, yang ada di pangkuan Bapa, Dialah yang menyatakan-Nya
KJV Joh 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him].

coba jelaskan maksud yohanes 1:18 nak barabas.......

kecuali Tuhan sendiri yang menghendaki, maka tidak ada yang melihat Allah (karena Allah itu ROH)
tetapi Allah yang tidak dapat dilihat tersebut menjadi nyata (baca: dapat dilihat) dalam sosok/rupa 'Anak Tunggal Allah' yaitu manusia YESUS

nah... keliatan deh bung wed gak ngerti dgn yohanes 1:18, ini yg saya tunggu2.... termakan dogma ya bung wed.. akhirnya jd ngawur penjelasannya....

He has declared [Him].... yesus sendiri yg akan mengatakan kpd pengikutnya bahwa Tuhan gak bisa diliat:
Yohanes 5:37"Bapa yang mengutus Aku, Dialah yang bersaksi tentang Aku. Kamu tidak pernah mendengar suara-Nya, rupa-Nyapun tidak pernah kamu lihat,"

:masa sih

barabasmurtad wrote:

hamba tuhan wrote:

SEGOROWEDI wrote:

hamba tuhan wrote:Joh 1:18 Tidak seorangpun yang pernah melihat Allah; tetapi Anak Tunggal Allah, yang ada di pangkuan Bapa, Dialah yang menyatakan-Nya
KJV Joh 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him].

coba jelaskan maksud yohanes 1:18 nak barabas.......

kecuali Tuhan sendiri yang menghendaki, maka tidak ada yang melihat Allah (karena Allah itu ROH)
tetapi Allah yang tidak dapat dilihat tersebut menjadi nyata (baca: dapat dilihat) dalam sosok/rupa 'Anak Tunggal Allah' yaitu manusia YESUS

nah... keliatan deh bung wed gak ngerti dgn yohanes 1:18, ini yg saya tunggu2.... termakan dogma ya bung wed.. akhirnya jd ngawur penjelasannya....

He has declared [Him].... yesus sendiri yg akan mengatakan kpd pengikutnya bahwa Tuhan gak bisa diliat:
Yohanes 5:37"Bapa yang mengutus Aku, Dialah yang bersaksi tentang Aku. Kamu tidak pernah mendengar suara-Nya, rupa-Nyapun tidak pernah kamu lihat,"

:masa sih

KITA TAHU BAHWA ALLAH ADALAH ROH DAN TIDAK SEORANGPUN YANG MAMPU MELIHAT ROH ALLAH, SAMA HALNYA KITA JUGA TIDAK BISA MELIHAT ROH MANUSIA.
Joh 4:24 Allah itu Roh dan barangsiapa menyembah Dia, harus menyembah-Nya dalam roh dan kebenaran."
ORANG PERCAYA MENYEMBAH ALLAH DI DALAM ROH MANUSIANYA, YANG TELAH DIKUASAI OLEH ROH ALLAH, DAN DALAM KEBENARAN ARTINYA FIRMAN TUHAN, KARENA PENYEMBAHAN KEPADA ALLAH HANYA BERKENAN KEPADA ALLAH BILA MENYEMBAH DIA DI DALAM ROH KITA DAN DI DALAM KEBENARAN FIRMANNYA.
1Co 2:10 Karena kepada kita Allah telah menyatakannya oleh Roh, sebab Roh menyelidiki segala sesuatu, bahkan hal-hal yang tersembunyi dalam diri Allah.
1Co 2:11 Siapa gerangan di antara manusia yang tahu, apa yang terdapat di dalam diri manusia selain roh manusia sendiri yang ada di dalam dia? Demikian pulalah tidak ada orang yang tahu, apa yang terdapat di dalam diri Allah selain Roh Allah.
DI SINI SECARA NYATA DIJELASKAN BAHWA ROH MANUSIALAH YANG MAMPU BERHUBUNGAN DENGAN ROH ALLAH DAN ITUPUN DI BAWAH KUASA ROH KUDUS
1Co 2:12 Kita tidak menerima roh dunia, tetapi roh yang berasal dari Allah, supaya kita tahu, apa yang dikaruniakan Allah kepada kita.
Joh 6:44 Tidak ada seorangpun yang dapat datang kepada-Ku, jikalau ia tidak ditarik oleh Bapa yang mengutus Aku, dan ia akan Kubangkitkan pada akhir zaman.
Joh 6:45 Ada tertulis dalam kitab nabi-nabi: Dan mereka semua akan diajar oleh Allah. Dan setiap orang, yang telah mendengar dan menerima pengajaran dari Bapa, datang kepada-Ku.
Joh 6:46 Hal itu tidak berarti, bahwa ada orang yang telah melihat Bapa. Hanya Dia yang datang dari Allah, Dialah yang telah melihat Bapa.
SEKALIPUN DEMIKIAN TIDAK ADA SEORANGPUN YANG MAMPU MELIHAT ALLAH, BAHKAN MUSA YANG DIKATAKAN DALAM Exo 33:11 Dan TUHAN berbicara kepada Musa dengan berhadapan muka seperti seorang berbicara kepada temannya;TAPI PADA HAKEKATNYA IA TIDAK MAMPU MELIHAT KEMULIAAN ALLAH SEPERTI YANG DINYATAKAN DALAM
Exo 33:17 Berfirmanlah TUHAN kepada Musa: "Juga hal yang telah kaukatakan ini akan Kulakukan, karena engkau telah mendapat kasih karunia di hadapan-Ku dan Aku mengenal engkau."
Exo 33:18 Tetapi jawabnya: "Perlihatkanlah kiranya kemuliaan-Mu kepadaku."
Exo 33:19 Tetapi firman-Nya: "Aku akan melewatkan segenap kegemilangan-Ku dari depanmu dan menyerukan nama TUHAN di depanmu: Aku akan memberi kasih karunia kepada siapa yang Kuberi kasih karunia dan mengasihani siapa yang Kukasihani."
Exo 33:20 Lagi firman-Nya: "Engkau tidak tahan memandang wajah-Ku, sebab tidak ada orang yang memandang Aku dapat hidup."
Exo 33:21 Berfirmanlah TUHAN: "Ada suatu tempat dekat-Ku, di mana engkau dapat berdiri di atas gunung batu;
Exo 33:22 apabila kemuliaan-Ku lewat, maka Aku akan menempatkan engkau dalam lekuk gunung itu dan Aku akan menudungi engkau dengan tangan-Ku, sampai Aku berjalan lewat.
Exo 33:23 Kemudian Aku akan menarik tangan-Ku dan engkau akan melihat belakang-Ku, tetapi wajah-Ku tidak akan kelihatan."

hamba tuhan wrote:

bukan simpel bung wed.... anda gak ngerti apa itu declared = menyatakan....

PROKLAMASI: KAMI BANGSA INDONESIA DENGAN INI MENYATAKAN

SEGOROWEDI wrote:

hamba tuhan wrote:

bukan simpel bung wed.... anda gak ngerti apa itu declared = menyatakan....

PROKLAMASI: KAMI BANGSA INDONESIA DENGAN INI MENYATAKAN

bukan 'menyatakan' dalam artian seperti itu..
tapi 'menjadikan nyata'
sebab di kalimat sebelumnya bicara tentang Tuhan yang tak dapat dilihat (baca: tak nyata)
declared HIM -> bukan He declared

hamba tuhan wrote:barabas : KITA TAHU BAHWA ALLAH ADALAH ROH DAN TIDAK SEORANGPUN YANG MAMPU MELIHAT ROH ALLAH, SAMA HALNYA KITA JUGA TIDAK BISA MELIHAT ROH MANUSIA.
HT : jadi yesus yg bisa dilihat, dielus2, makan minum menurut nak barabas bukan Tuhankan????

SEGOROWEDI wrote:

hamba tuhan wrote:barabas : KITA TAHU BAHWA ALLAH ADALAH ROH DAN TIDAK SEORANGPUN YANG MAMPU MELIHAT ROH ALLAH, SAMA HALNYA KITA JUGA TIDAK BISA MELIHAT ROH MANUSIA.
HT : jadi yesus yg bisa dilihat, dielus2, makan minum menurut nak barabas bukan Tuhankan????

Yesus menjadikan nyata (dapat dilihat) Tuhan yang tak dapat dilihat itu

ichreza wrote:
darimana kesimpulan klo sesuatu yg tidak dapat dilihat itu berarti tidak nyata?

SEGOROWEDI wrote:

hamba tuhan wrote:barabas : KITA TAHU BAHWA ALLAH ADALAH ROH DAN TIDAK SEORANGPUN YANG MAMPU MELIHAT ROH ALLAH, SAMA HALNYA KITA JUGA TIDAK BISA MELIHAT ROH MANUSIA.
HT : jadi yesus yg bisa dilihat, dielus2, makan minum menurut nak barabas bukan Tuhankan????

Yesus menjadikan nyata (dapat dilihat) Tuhan yang tak dapat dilihat itu