Ketika menolak kenabian Muhammad...

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maka dengan sendirinya seseorang telah menolak ide yg ditawarkan yesus dan musa..lantas dimanakah posisi orang tersebut berada?

lho kisa pengutusan kan udah jelas = firman itu bersama tuhan.

perintah bagi yesus = perintah taurat

dialog yesus dg tuhan = baca dari atas.

abu hanan wrote:lho kisa pengutusan kan udah jelas = firman itu bersama tuhan.
perintah bagi yesus = perintah taurat
dialog yesus dg tuhan = baca dari atas.

seperti musa misalnya, kan jelas Tuhan mengutusnya
bahkan fenomena kedatangan Tuhan disaksikan ribuan umatnya
abraham juga begitu, oleh Tuhan diperintah melakukan ini dan itu
tetapi atas Yesus kok gak pernah ada?

taurat oleh Yesus digenapi
dan gak ada perintah dari Tuhan kepada Yesus untuk menggenapinya

gak ada dialog
adanya pernyataan Tuhan, adanya pernytataan Yesus

SEGOROWEDI wrote:

abu hanan wrote:lho kisa pengutusan kan udah jelas = firman itu bersama tuhan.
perintah bagi yesus = perintah taurat
dialog yesus dg tuhan = baca dari atas.

seperti musa misalnya, kan jelas Tuhan mengutusnya
bahkan fenomena kedatangan Tuhan disaksikan ribuan umatnya
abraham juga begitu, oleh Tuhan diperintah melakukan ini dan itu
tetapi atas Yesus kok gak pernah ada?

taurat oleh Yesus digenapi
dan gak ada perintah dari Tuhan kepada Yesus untuk menggenapinya

gak ada dialog
adanya pernyataan Tuhan, adanya pernytataan Yesus

lha kan uda dibilang;
1-12 tahun = gak ada org peduli
13-30 tahun = gak ada org mencatat
30-33 tahun = org yg mencatat baru inget 40 thn kemudian.dan ketika yesus masih ada si pencatat banyak tidur daripada dampingin yesus.

apakah ada bukti tertulis ada murid yg dampingi yesus 24 jam?

abu hanan wrote:maka dengan sendirinya seseorang telah menolak ide yg ditawarkan yesus dan musa..lantas dimanakah posisi orang tersebut berada?

menurut sopo rek...quran yang datang 6 abad kemudian....yang dari goa hira...quran 100%dari mulut jin goa hira jibril...jadi nga pantes menilai Injil......tuhan nga perna ketemu muhmmad....dahkan sampe muhammad mati pun tuhan nga perna datang...walau jibril ikut mendoakan...agar muhammad di sembukan...

abu hanan wrote:
lha kan uda dibilang;
1-12 tahun = gak ada org peduli
13-30 tahun = gak ada org mencatat
30-33 tahun = org yg mencatat baru inget 40 thn kemudian.dan ketika yesus masih ada si pencatat banyak tidur daripada dampingin yesus.
apakah ada bukti tertulis ada murid yg dampingi yesus 24 jam?

1-12 tahun masih bocah, belum mulai karya-Nya
13-30 tercatat tinggal bersama Maria dan Yusu di Nazaret, belum mulai karya-Nya
30-33 mulai karya-Nya, disaksikan banyak orang dan dicatat oleh saksi (Maius dan Yohanes)

murid-murid mengikuti Yesus kemanapun, termasuk Matius dan Yohanes
maka aneh kalau kesaksian yang mereka tulis tak pernah sekalipun mencatat adanya pengutusan
dari Bapa kepada Yesus

bedah tipis wrote:

abu hanan wrote:maka dengan sendirinya seseorang telah menolak ide yg ditawarkan yesus dan musa..lantas dimanakah posisi orang tersebut berada?

menurut sopo rek...quran yang datang 6 abad kemudian....yang dari goa hira...quran 100%dari mulut jin goa hira jibril...jadi nga pantes menilai Injil......tuhan nga perna ketemu muhmmad....dahkan sampe muhammad mati pun tuhan nga perna datang...walau jibril ikut mendoakan...agar muhammad di sembukan...

musa bilang satu tuhan
yesus bilang satu tuhan
muhammad bilang satu tuhan

SEGOROWEDI wrote:

abu hanan wrote:
lha kan uda dibilang;
1-12 tahun = gak ada org peduli
13-30 tahun = gak ada org mencatat
30-33 tahun = org yg mencatat baru inget 40 thn kemudian.dan ketika yesus masih ada si pencatat banyak tidur daripada dampingin yesus.
apakah ada bukti tertulis ada murid yg dampingi yesus 24 jam?

1-12 tahun masih bocah, belum mulai karya-Nya
13-30 tercatat tinggal bersama Maria dan Yusu di Nazaret, belum mulai karya-Nya
30-33 mulai karya-Nya, disaksikan banyak orang dan dicatat oleh saksi (Maius dan Yohanes)

murid-murid mengikuti Yesus kemanapun, termasuk Matius dan Yohanes
maka aneh kalau kesaksian yang mereka tulis tak pernah sekalipun mencatat adanya pengutusan
dari Bapa kepada Yesus

owh jadi yesus MENJADI tuhan ketika berkarya?

abu hanan wrote:
musa bilang satu tuhan
yesus bilang satu tuhan
muhammad bilang satu tuhan

emang kalau bilang satu tuhan, pasti nabi?

abu hanan wrote:
owh jadi yesus MENJADI tuhan ketika berkarya?

baca Yohanes 20:30-31 dan 21:24-25

SEGOROWEDI wrote:

abu hanan wrote:
owh jadi yesus MENJADI tuhan ketika berkarya?

baca Yohanes 20:30-31 dan 21:24-25

tuh ayat malah jadi bukti kalow semua perbuatan dan perkataan yesus tak terekam.

dan sudah dijelaskan..
kalau semua tanda-tanda yang dibuat-Nya dituliskan
dunia gak cukup menampung bukunya

We sent you not (O Muhammad), but as a Mercy for all creatures."

The noble Qur'an, Al-Anbiya(21):107

In order to understand the message of Islam, it is first necessary to acquaint ourselves with the prophet of Islam. You cannot, as the popular saying goes, separate the message from the messenger. It is therefore only natural to wish to study the life of Muhammad (pbuh), his manners and his morals, and to see how Islam manifested itself in his person as a living example for all Muslims till the end of time.

Abu Hurairah described him as follows:

"He was of medium build, closer to being tall. His skin was extremely white, his beard was black, his mouth was pleasant, his eyebrows were long, and his shoulders were wide"

Anas ibn Malik said:

"I never touched silk or any soft fabric equal to the softness of his palm, and I never smelled a scent more pleasing than his."

Hind ibn Abi Hala (the son of Muhammad's wife Kadijah) described Muhammad (pbuh) as follows:

"The Messenger of Allah was of consecutive sorrows, continuous thought, never finding rest, long in silence. He did not speak without cause. He spoke with his full mouth (was not arrogant), and spoke concisely. His speech was just, with neither excess nor deficiency. He was not pompous, nor denigrating. He exalted all blessings no matter how small and never belittled a single one. He would never praise his food nor criticize it. He was never angered by matters of this life nor that which was associated with it. However, if justice was transgressed nothing could stand up to his anger until justice was established. He never became angry for his own self nor sought retribution for himself. If he gestured, he did so with his whole palm. If he was amazed, he overturned it. If he spoke, he struck with his right palm the inside of his left thumb. If he became angry he turned away, and when he was happy he lowered his gaze. The majority of his laughter was [restricted to] smiling."

Ali ibn abi Talib described Muhammad (pbuh) as follows:

"He was not vulgar nor did he condone vulgarity, and he was not one to shout in the market place. He did not reward evil with evil, rather, he would forgive and overlook. He never in his life struck anything with his hand except when he was fighting in the name of Allah. He never struck a servant nor a woman, and I never saw him taking revenge for an injustice dealt him, except if the prohibitions of Allah were transgressed. For if the prohibitions of Allah were transgressed he was among the strongest of them in anger. He was never given a choice between two matters but he chose the simplest of the two. If he entered into his home he was a man like any other; cleaning his own garment, milking his own goat, and serving himself.

He would guard his tongue from that which did not concern him. He would attract them (the people) and not repel them. He would ennoble the noble of the people and charge them with their affairs. He was wary of the people and guarded himself against them but without depriving them a warm smile or fitting conduct. He would inquire after his companions and would ask the people about their affairs. He would encourage that which was good and strengthen it, and he would discourage that which was evil and undermine it. He was balanced and consistent. He would never be neglectful that they would not learn neglect and grow indifferent. He had a provision for every occasion and he never fell short of justice nor exceeded it. The closest people to him were the best among them, and the best among them in his eyes were the most comprehensive in advice. The highest of them in stature with him was the best among them in looking after the people and assisting them. He would not rise nor sit down without praise [to God]. If he visited a gathering he would sit wherever the group ended (and not at their head) and he encouraged the same. He would give all those sitting with him their just due [to the extent that] they would each feel that none was more important to him than them. If someone were to sit with him or come in search of a favor he would be patient with them until they (the guest) would be the one to leave. Whoever came to him with a request was never turned away except with that which they had asked for or with a kind word. His cheerfulness and good manners encompassed them all such that he became a father to them and they all became equal in rights. His gatherings were those of knowledge, humbleness, patience, and integrity. In them there would be no raising of voices nor transgressions of prohibitions. They would not expose one-another's errors, but would be equal, encouraging each-other in the fear of God. In them, they would respect their elders, be merciful to their children, give preference to those in need, and protect the stranger."

He continues: "He was continually smiling, gentle in manners, soft in nature. He was not severe, harsh-hearted, loud, abusive, or miserly. He would disregard that which he disliked, and no one ever despaired of him. He never responded to disparagement or evil words. He forbade upon himself three things: Argument, arrogance, and that which did not concern him. And he relieved the people of three: He would not degrade any among them or abuse them, he would not search after their honor or private matters, and he would not speak except in matters which he hoped to be rewarded for. When he spoke his attendees would lower their heads as if birds had alighted upon them. Once he finished they would speak. They would not vie with one-another in his presence to speak, but when one would talk in his presence the rest would listen until he finished. Speech in his presence was that of the first among them. He would laugh with them, and wonder with them. He had patience with the strangers when they were gruff in speech and requests, to a degree that his companions would fetch them to him. He would say: 'If you see someone in need, fetch him to me.' He would not accept praise except from those who were balanced and not excessive. He would not interject into someone's speech unless they transgressed, in which case he would either rebuke them or else leave.

He was the most generous of heart, truthful of tongue, softest in disposition, and noble in relationship. He who first set eyes upon him feared him, but he who associated with him loved him. Those who described him would say: 'I have never seen before of after him anyone similar to him, peace be upon him' "

With God:

Whenever Muhammad (pbuh) commanded his followers to observe a command or prohibition of God he was always found to be the most observant of this command or prohibition. He was the most devout in worship to God among them, and no one could equal him in worship, and in patience in the worship of God.

Al-Mugeerah ibn Shooba narrated:

"The Prophet, peace be upon him, used to stand in prayer until his feet became swollen and cracked. He was then asked: 'Hasn't God forgiven you that which is before you and that which is behind you?' He (Muhammad, pbuh) replied: 'Should I not be a thankful servant?' " (Narrated by Al-Bukhari)

Aisha (pbuh) narrated:

"Allah's Messenger (pbuh) used to fast till one would say: he never stops fasting, and he would abstain from fasting till one would say:t he never fast." (Narrated by Al-Bukhari)

Anas said:

"You would never like to see him standing in the middle of the night in prayer but you would, and never would you like to see him sleeping but you would" (Narrated by Al-Bukhari)

The companions narrated that when a hardship or trial befell him he would pray. He would say

"My comfort has been placed in prayer" (Narrated by Al-Nissai)

With Life:

Muhammad (pbuh) was the most far removed among his people from the love of money or wealth. He encouraged his followers to be industrious, make an honest living and discouraged them from seeking charity. He did not condemn wealth and the wealthy, however, he feared for his followers and encouraged them to not allow it to corrupt them or obsess them.

Muhammad (pbuh) himself could have been the most wealthy man in the history of Arabia, however, he preferred to live simply and use his wealth in that which pleased God. As the leader of the Islamic nation, he received great wealth, however, he hated for this wealth to remain in his home for more than a day without having distributed it in charity. At times he would distribute tens or hundreds of thousands of "dinars" at a time as soon as he received them. He lived according to his sayings:

"O my Lord, indeed, true life is only the afterlife" and "What have I to do with this life? The similitude of me and this life is as a traveler who stopped to take shelter in the shade of a tree and then arose and left it"

Urwah narrated that Aisha (the wife of Muhammad, pbuh) said to me,

"O my nephew! We used to see the crescent, and then the crescent, and then the crescent, in this way we saw three crescents in two months and no fire (for cooking) used to be lit in the houses of Allah's Messenger (pbuh). I said, "O my aunt! Then what use to sustain you?" Aisha said, "[These two]: dates and water." (Narrated by Al-Bukhari)

Abu Tharr narrated that Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said,

"If I had gold equal to the mountain of Uhud, it would not please me that any of it should remain with me after three nights (i.e. I would spend all of it in Allah's cause) except what I would keep for repaying debts." (Narrated by Al-Bukhari)

Jabir ibn Abdullah narrated:

"The messenger of Allah was never asked for something and then he said 'no' (he never refused a request)" (Narrated by Al-Bukhari)

With People:

"By the grace of Allah, you are gentle towards the people; if you had been stern and harsh-hearted, they would have dispersed from round about you"

The noble Qur'an, A'al-Umran(3):159

Even with all of his concerns and obligations, Muhammad (pbuh) never became unmindful of his people. He had a special place in his heart for each one of them and he was known among them for his soft-spokenness, his generosity, his tolerance, and his friendliness.

He would joke with his companions, sit and talk with them, play with their children and sit them on his knee. He would respond to the call of the free man or the slave, or the young girl or the poor. He would visit the sick on the opposite end of the city and he would attend their funerals. He would accept the people's apologies and their excuses, and he was the most humble among them.

Abdullah ibn Al-Haritha narrated:

"I have never seen anyone who smiled more continuously than the Messenger of Allah (pbuh)" (Narrated by Al-Tirmathi)

Usamah ibn Zayd narrated:

"The daughter of the Prophet (pbuh) sent (a messenger) to the Prophet (pbuh) requesting him to come as her child was dying. However, the Prophet (pbuh) returned the messenger and told him to convey his greeting to her and say: "Whatever Allah takes is for Him and whatever He gives is for Him. Everything with Him has a limited fixed term (in this world) and so she should be patient and hope for Allah's reward." She again sent for him, swearing that he should come. The Prophet (pbuh) stood up, and so did Sa'id ibn Ubadah, Mu'ath ibn Jabal, Ubay ibn Ka'ab , Zayd ibn Thabit and some other men. [When he arrived,] the child was brought to Allah's Apostle (pbuh), his chest heaving. On that the eyes of the Prophet (pbuh) began shedding tears. Sa'd said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is this?" He replied, "It is mercy which Allah has lodged in the hearts of His slaves, and Allah is merciful only to those of His slaves who are merciful (to others)." (Narrated by Al-Bukhari)

Anas ibn Malik narrated that

"the Prophet (pbuh) used to mix with us (the children) to the extent that he would say to a younger brother of mine, 'O abu-Umayr! What did the Nughayr (a kind of bird) do?' " (Narrated by Al-Bukhari)

Abu Dawood narrated that the Messenger of Allah would say:

"Let none of you transmit to me [evil news] about my companions, for I like to meet with you with a pure heart"

Ibn Masood narrated that Muhammad (pbuh) said to a group he sent to teach and advise:

"Be lenient and do not make [this religion] difficult. Bring glad tidings and do not repel"

AbuMalik al-Ash'ari said:

"The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: 'Cleanliness is half of faith, and [saying] 'Praise be to God' fills the scale, and [saying] 'Glory be to God' and 'Praise be to God' fill up what is between the heavens and the earth, and prayer is a light, and charity is proof [of one's faith], and patience is a brightness, and the Qur'an is a proof for or against you. All men go out early in the morning and sell themselves, some setting themselves free and others destroying themselves.' " (Narrated by Muslim)

With His Family and Children:

Aisha, the wife of Muhammad (pbuh) said:

"Allah's Messenger (pbuh) used to patch his sandals, sew his garment and conduct himself at home as anyone of you does in his house. He was a human being, searching his garment for lice, milking his sheep, and doing his own chores." (Narrated by al-Tirmathi).

She also said:

"He would patch his garments and sole his sandals" She was once asked: "How was he with his family?", she responded: "He was in the service of his family until it was time for prayer, at which time he would go and pray"

Anas narrated:

"I never saw anyone more merciful with children than the Messenger of Allah (pbuh)" (Narrated by Muslim)

Abu Hurairah narrated that:

"The Messenger of Allah never denigrated any type of food; if he liked it he ate it, and if he disliked it he left it alone" (Narrated by Bukhari and Muslim)

Generosity, Clemency and Conduct:

Abdullah ibn Amr narrated:

"Allah's Messenger (pbuh) neither spoke in an insulting manner nor did he ever speak evil intentionally. He used to say, 'The most beloved to me among you is the one who has the best character and manners.'" (Narrated by Al-Bukhari)

AbuHurayrah narrated that the Prophet (pbuh) said:

"The most Perfect believer in respect of faith is he who is best of them in manners." (Narrated by Abu-Dawood)

Qatadah ibn Malik narrated that Zayd ibn Ilaqah related on the authority of his uncle, Qatadah ibn Malik, that the Prophet (pbuh) would supplicate:

"O Allah, I seek Your protection against undesirable manners, acts, and desires." (Transmitted by Al-Tirmithi.)

Anas ibn Malik narrated:

"I was walking with the messenger of Allah (pbuh) and he was wearing a mantle of Najran with a thick border. A Bedouin met him and pulled the mantle so violently that I saw this violent pulling had left marks from it's border on the skin of the neck of the Messenger of Allah (pbuh). And he (the Bedouin) said: Muhammad!, command that I should be given out of the wealth of Allah which is at your disposal. The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) turned to him and smiled, and then he ordered for him a provision."

Anas narrated:

"Eighty men from the men of Makkah descended upon the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) from the mountain of Al-Taneem, in [full] armor, with the intent of doing battle with him. He (Muhammad, pbuh) captured them peaceably and then did not kill them" (Narrated by Muslim)

A pagan by the name of Zaid ibn Sa'ana came to the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) in order to collect a debt. When he drew near Muhammad (pbuh) he wrenched him by his clothes violently, exposing his shoulder, and spoke rudely at him. Finally, he said: "You sons of AbdulMuttalib are all a procrastinating lot." Immediately, Umar ibn Al-Khattab leapt at him chastising and rebuking him harshly, all the while the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) looked on smiling. Then the Prophet (pbuh) said to Umar: "He and I were in need of other than this O Umar; You should have commanded me to excel in my repayment, and have commanded him to excel in his request for repayment." He (Muhammad, pbuh) said: "There [still] remains in his term three [days]" He (Muhammad, pbuh) then commanded Umar to see to his recompensation and to increase him twenty 'saa' (weights) as compensation for the terrorization he had endured (from Umar). This man later became a Muslim" (Narrated by Al-Bayhaqi, ibn Habban, and Al-Tabarani)

Anas ibn Malik said:

"Allah's Messenger (pbuh) had the best disposition amongst people. He sent me (when I was a child) on an errand one day, and I said: By Allah, I would not go. I had, however, this idea in my mind that I would do as Allah's Apostle (pbuh) had commanded me to do. I went out until I happened to come across children who had been playing in the street. In the meanwhile, Allah's Messenger (pbuh) came there and he caught me by the back of my neck from behind me. As I looked towards him I found him smiling and he said: Unays, did you go where I told you to go? I said: Allah's Messenger, yes, I am going. Anas further said: I served him for nine years but I know not that he ever chastised me about a thing which I had done why I did that, or about a thing I had left as to why I had not done that." (Narrated by Muslim)

In another narration, he said:

"I served the Prophet (pbuh) at Madinah for ten years. I was a boy. Every work that I did was not according to the desire of my master, but he never said to me: Fie!, nor did he say to me: Why did you do this? or Why did you not do this?" (Narrated by Abu-Dawood)

Anas also said:

"No one was more beloved to us than the Messenger of Allah (pbuh), [however], if we saw him we would not stand up for him for we knew how much he disliked [for us to do so]. And on one occasion someone called to him saying: 'O best of mankind ...' He replied: 'That is Abraham, peace be upon him' " (Narrated by Muslim)

Adi ibn Hatim al-Ta'ee came to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to ask about Islam, so Muhammad (pbuh) invited him to his home. When they sat down, a small girl brought a pillow to the Messenger of Allah (pbuh), however, he placed it between him and Adi and sat on the ground. Adi later said: "[When I saw that] I knew that he was not a king"

It was also narrated that Muhammad (pbuh) once said:

"I am but a servant, I eat as the servant eats, and I sit as the servant sits"

Muhammad (pbuh) would tie his own camel, feed his own animal, eat with the servants, knead dough with them, and carry his own groceries from the market.

With Parents

AbuHurayrah narrated that a man came to Allah's Messenger (pbuh) and said, "O Allah's Messenger! Who is the most deserving person of my good companionship?" The Prophet (pbuh) said, "Your mother." The man said, "Who is next?" The Prophet (pbuh) said, "Your mother." The man said, "Who is next?" The Prophet (pbuh) said, "Your mother." The man asked for the fourth time, "Who is next?" The Prophet (pbuh) said, "Your father." (Narrated by Al-Bukhari)

A man came to AbudDarda and said, "I have a wife whom my mother commands me to divorce," he replied to him that he had heard Allah's Messenger (pbuh) say, "A parent is the best of the gates of Paradise; so if you wish, keep to the gate, or lose it." (Narrated in Mishkat Al-Masabih, Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah transmitted it.)

AbuBakrah said: The Prophet (pbuh) said thrice, "Should I inform you about the greatest of the great sins?" They said, `Yes, O Allah's Messenger!" He said, "To join others in worship with Allah and to be undutiful to one's parents." The Prophet (pbuh) then sat up after he had been reclining (on a pillow) and said, "And I warn you against giving a false witness," and he kept on repeating that warning till we thought he would not stop." (Narrated by Al-Bukhari)

Anas ibn Malik narrated that the Prophet (pbuh) said, "The worst of Kaba'ir (the greatest sins) are: to join others as partners in worship with Allah, to murder a human being, to be undutiful to one's parents and to make a false statement," or said, "to bear false witness." (Narrated by Al-Bukhari)

Defense of the Boundaries of the Religion:

The day Ibraheem (the son of Muhammad, pbuh) died, there was an eclipse of the sun. The people began to say: "The sun has eclipsed for the death of Ibraheem", whereupon the messenger of Allah (pbuh) became angry and chastised them saying:

"Verily, the sun and the moon are two signs of the signs of Allah, they do not eclipse for the death of anyone nor for his birth, so if you see that (an eclipse) then supplicate to God, reverence His name, pray and give charity" (Narrated by Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

On another occasion, a man said: "God and You (O Muhammad) have willed this" regarding a certain matter. The Messenger of Allah then rebuked him saying:

"Have you made me equal to God?" (Narrated by Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

For the same reason, another time, a man was delivering a speech and said: "He who obeys God and His messenger is indeed wise, and he who disobeys Allah and his messenger has lost." Upon hearing this, the Messenger of Allah said:

"You are the most evil of speakers" (Narrated by Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

Note: Muhammad (pbuh) did not want those listening to the speech to think that God and His messengers are in any way equal.

Muhammad (pbuh) also used to say:

"Do not over-praise me as the Christians over-praised [Jesus] the son of Mary. For I am only His servant, so say: 'Allah's servant and messenger' " (Narrated by Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

His Bravery and Bashfulness:

Many people believe bravery and bashfulness to be self-contradictory opposites of one-another, however, in Muhammad (pbuh) we were given the example of a true balance between these two attributes. It was narrated that Muhammad (pbuh) was the most bashful of all mankind, and if he disliked a matter we (the companions) would know that from his face (his expression). Aisha (pbuh) narrated that whenever he was informed of an error committed by someone he would never say: "Why did 'such' the son of 'such' do such-and-such", rather, he would say:

"Why do some people do (or say) such-and-such?"

In this manner he would caution them, but he would not mention the man by name. (Narrated by Abu-Dawood)

Regarding his bravery Ali ibn Abi-Talib, one of the bravest young men in the Islamic nation said:

"In the heat of battle, [when the passions burned strongest,] we would seek shelter behind the Messenger of Allah (pbuh), for there was none closer to the enemy than him, and you had seen me on the day of Badr, battle of we were taking shelter behind the Prophet of Allah (pbuh) and he was the closest among us to the enemy" (Narrated by Abu-Dawood)

Al-Bukhari narrated upon the authority of Anas:

"The Messenger of Allah was the best of mankind, and the most generous among mankind, and the bravest among mankind. The citizens of Al-Madinah awoke in a panic one night [to a sound], so they rode out towards the sound. On their way they met the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) returning, having beat them to the sound, saying: 'Do not worry, do not worry' and he was riding a horse of Abi-Talha with no saddle (in his hurry to reach that sound), around his neck hung his sword."

During the first hours of the battle of Hunain, when many of the Muslims forsook Muhammad (pbuh) and fled the battle field, Muhammad (pbuh) stood firm in the field of battle as if nothing had happened saying:

"I am the Messenger, I lie not!. I am the son of Abdul-Muttalib."

General Mercy

Ibn Abbas narrated:

"A man had laid down his sheep (in preparation to slaughter it) and then he went about sharpening his knife. Upon seeing this, the Messenger of Allah rebuked him saying: 'Do you want to kill it twice? Wouldn't it have been better for you to sharpen your knife before laying it down (so as not to terrorize it)?' " (Narrated by Al-Tabarani and Al-Hakim)

Shaddad ibn Aws said:

"Two are the things which I remember Allah's Messenger (pbuh) having said: 'Verily Allah has enjoined goodness to everything; so when you kill, kill in a good way and when you slaughter, slaughter in a good way. Every one of you should sharpen his knife, and let the slaughtered animal die comfortably.' " (Narrated by Muslim)

Muhammad (pbuh) also used to command mercy for all animals such that they are fed well, watered well, not forced to carry too heavy a burden, and not tortured or maimed for one's enjoyment.

AbuHurayrah said:

"The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, 'While a man was walking on a road he became very thirsty. He found a well, went into it, drank, and came out. [Upon exiting he met] a dog panting and eating the dirt out of thirst. The man said: 'This dog has become stricken with the same degree of thirst which had stricken me.' He went down into the well and filled his shoe and then held it in his mouth until he climbed out and gave the dog water to drink. Allah thanked him (for his good deed) and forgave him.' They said, 'O Messenger of Allah, are we rewarded for taking care of beasts?' He said, 'There is a reward [for you] in every creature with a moist liver.'"(Narrated by Al-Bukhari, Muslim, and Malik)

AbuHurayrah said:

"Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said: 'A woman was punished because of a cat. She neither provided it with food nor drink, nor set it free so that it might eat the insects of the earth.' " (Narrated by Muslim and Al-Bukhari).

Sahl ibn Amr said:

"The Messenger of Allah passed by a camel who's stomach quite touched it's back (from lack of food). Upon seeing this he said: 'Fear God in these unspeaking animals! Ride them [while they are] in good health, and eat them [while they are] in good health' " (Narrated by Abu-Dawood)

Regarding slaves, when Muhammad (pbuh) became the messenger of Allah the people of his land had become accustomed to having countless slaves and usually treated them quite harshly. During the period of his prophethood he worked diligently to do what he could to cut down on their numbers. Islam closed most of the doors leading to slavery and encourages the freeing of slaves in many ways. For those people who continued to posses slaves they were encouraged to treat them fairly and with mercy.

AbuDharr said:

"The Prophet (pbuh) said: 'Feed those of your slaves who please you from what you yourselves eat and clothe them with what you clothe yourselves, but sell those who do not please you and do not punish Allah's creatures.' " (Narrated by Abu-Dawood)

Ma'rur narrated that:

"I saw AbuDharr wearing a Burd (garment) and his slave too was wearing a Burd, so I said (to AbuDharr), 'If you take this (Burd of your slave) and wear it (along with yours), you will have a nice suit and you may give him another garment.' AbuDharr said, "There [once] was a quarrel between me and another man whose mother was a non-Arab and I called her bad names. The man complained about me to the Prophet (pbuh). The Prophet (pbuh) said, 'Did you abuse so-and-so?' I said, 'Yes.' He said, 'Did you call his mother bad names?' I said, 'Yes.' He said, 'You still have the traits of (the pre-Islamic period of) ignorance.' I said, '(Do I still have ignorance) even now in my old age?' He said, 'Yes, they (slaves or servants) are your brothers and Allah has put them under your command. So the one under whose hand Allah has put his brother, should feed him from what he eats, and clothe him in what he wears, and should not ask him to do anything beyond his capacity. And if ever he asks him to do a hard task, he should help him with it.'" (Narrated by Al-Bukhari)

Abdullah ibn Umar said:

"An A'arabi (desert Arab) came to the Prophet of Allah (pbuh) and said: 'O Messenger of Allah, how many times should I forgive my slave every day?' The Prophet (pbuh) replied: 'Seventy times.' " (Narrated by Al-Tirmathi and Abu-Dawood)

Abdullah ibn Umar also narrated:

"The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: 'Pay the worker his [due] wages before his sweat dries' " (Narrated by ibn Majah)

Some Quotes:

The Encyclopedia Britannica states:

"... a mass of detail in the early sources show that [Muhammad] was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were like-wise honest and upright men." (Vol. 12)

George Bernard Shaw said about him:

"He must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness." (The Genuine Islam, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936)

Gandhi says in Young India:

"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today's undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind ...I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to this friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."

Edward Gibbon and Simon Ockley speaking on the declaration of Islam write:

"I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, AND MAHOMET* , AN APOSTLE OF GOD' is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honor of the Prophet has never transgressed the measure of human virtues; and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion."

History Of The Saracen Empires, London, 1870, p. 54

Michael H. Hart in his recently published book on the ranking of the 100 most influential men in history writes:

"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels."

The 100: A Ranking Of The Most Influential Persons In History, M.H. Hart, New York, 1978, p. 33

Jules Masserman, an American psychoanalyst, says:

"Leaders must fulfill three functions: 1) Provide for the well being of the led, 2) Provide a social organization in which people feel relatively secure, and 3) Provide them with a set of beliefs … People like Pasteur and Salk are leaders in the first sense. People like Gandhi and Confucius, on one hand, and Alexander and Caesar on the other, are leaders in the second and perhaps the third sense. Jesus and Buddha belong in the third category alone. Perhaps the greatest leader of all time was Muhammad, who combined all three functions. To a lesser degree, Moses did the same."

Time magazine, July 15, 1974, article titled "Who were history's greatest leaders?," this quote by Jules Masserman.

"Head of the State as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but, he was Pope without the Pope's pretensions, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a police force, without a fixed revenue. If ever a man ruled by a right divine, it was Muhammad, for he had all the powers without their supports. He cared not for the dressings of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life."

Reverend Bosworth Smith, Muhammad and Muhammadanism, p. 242

"Serious or trivial, his daily behavior has instituted a canon which millions observe this day with conscious memory. No one regarded by any section of the human race as Perfect Man has ever been imitated so minutely. The conduct of the founder of Christianity has not governed the ordinary life of his followers. Moreover, no founder of a religion has left on so solitary an eminence as the Muslim apostle"

Arabia, D. G. Hogarth, p. 52

"He was sober and abstemious in his diet, and a rigorous observer of fasts. He indulged in no magnificence of apparel, the ostentation of a petty mind; neither was his simplicity in dress affected but a result of real disregard for distinction from so trivial a source ... In his private dealings he was just. He treated friends and strangers, the rich and poor, the powerful and weak, with equality, and was beloved by the common people for the affability with which he received them, and listened to their complaints ... His military triumphs awakened no pride nor vain glory, as they would have done had they been effected for selfish purposes. In the time of his greatest power he maintained the same simplicity of manners and appearance as in the days of his adversity. So far from affecting a regal state, he was displeased if, on entering a room, any unusual testimonials of respect were shown to him. If he aimed at universal dominion, it was the dominion of faith; as to the temporal rule which grew up in his hands, as he used it without ostentation, so he took no step to perpetuate it in his family."

Mahomet and his successors, Washington Irving, pp. 332-334, 343

"His readiness to undergo persecution for his beliefs, the high moral character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as a leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement - all argue his fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more problems than it solves. Moreover, none of the great figures of history is so poorly appreciated in the West as Muhammad … Thus, not merely must we credit Muhammad with essential honesty and integrity of purpose, if we are to understand him at all; if we are to correct the errors we have inherited from the past, we must not forget that conclusive proof is a much stricter requirement than a show of plausibility, and in a matter such as this only to be attained with difficulty."

Muhammad at Macca, W. Montgomery Watt, Oxford press, p. 53

"It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great prophet of Arabia, who knew how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but the reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel, whenever I reread them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher."

The Life and Teachings of Muhammad, Annie Besant, p. 4

"Four years after the death of Justinian, C.E. 569, was born in Mecca, in Arabia, the man who, of all men, has exercised the greatest influence upon the human race … To be the religious head of many empires, to guide the daily life of one third of the human race, may perhaps justify the title of a Messenger of God."

History of Intellectual Development of Europe, William Draper, MD., LL.D., Vol. I, p. 329-330

For more on this topic please read the book "Prophet Muhammad and His Western Critics," by Zafar Ali Qureshi, Idara Ma'arif Islami, Mansoora, Lahore, Pakistan.

ichreza wrote:We sent you not (O Muhammad), but as a Mercy for all creatures."

bahkan ada hadis bilang gini:
kalau bukan karena muhammad, dunia ini gak akan diciptakan ilahnya
coba, mana ada manusia normal senarsis itu?

SEGOROWEDI wrote:dan sudah dijelaskan..
kalau semua tanda-tanda yang dibuat-Nya dituliskan
dunia gak cukup menampung bukunya

kan uda sayah bilang;
banyak membaca banyak lupa
tidak membaca tidak lupa
banyak tertulis banyak kesaksian
tidak tertulis tidak ada kesaksian

kesimpulan;pepatah tersebut berlaku abadi dalam membahas Bibel

abu hanan wrote:
kan uda sayah bilang;
banyak membaca banyak lupa
tidak membaca tidak lupa
banyak tertulis banyak kesaksian
tidak tertulis tidak ada kesaksian

kesimpulan;pepatah tersebut berlaku abadi dalam membahas Bibel

di Injl seabreg..

abu hanan wrote:
kan uda sayah bilang;
banyak membaca banyak lupa
tidak membaca tidak lupa
banyak tertulis banyak kesaksian
tidak tertulis tidak ada kesaksian

kesimpulan;pepatah tersebut berlaku abadi dalam membahas Bibel

Injil membuktikannya.l

NABI MUHAMMAD DALAM KITAB NABI YESAYA

Kitab Nabi Yesaya pasal 41 ayat 1-4 bunyinya:

1. Berdiam dirilah kamu hai sekalian pulau, hendaklah segala
bangsa memperbaharui kuat dan kuasanya, serta datang kemari,
hendaklah mereka itu memutuskan hukum. Kami hendak
bersama-sama datang hampir akan berhukum.
2. Siapa gerangan yang, sudah membangkitkan Dia dari musyrik
dan bertemu dengan segala kebenaran pada segala langkahnya?
Siapa Dia, yang menyerahkan segala orang-orang kafir
dihadapan haderatnya dan akan memberikan kuasa atas segala
raja-raja dan menyerahkan mereka seperti duli dan kepada
busurnya seperti jerami diterbangkan angin?
3. Pada masa diusirnya mereka itu? Dengan selamat juga ia
terus kepada jalan yang belum pernah dilangkahinya,
4. Siapa gerangan sudah mengadakan dan membuat dia, sambil
memanggil segala bangsa asal mulanya. Aku ini Tuhan yang
pertama, maka Aku ini yang kemudian sama saja.

Didalam kutipan tadi, juga dijelaskan lagi, betapa nabi itu
akan mengadakan peperangan dan akan mengalahkan orang orang
dan raja-raja kafir sekalipun. Didalam ayat ke-3
diceriterakan betapa Nabi itu harus, "Hijrah" ke tanah yang
belum pernah dijejakinya, dengan selamat. Hal ini
mengingatkan kita kepada "Hijrah Rasulullah" dari Mekkah ke
Medinah dengan selamat. Ayat ke-2 menceriterakan bagaimana
Muhammad mengalahkan raja-raja dan orang-orang kafir hanya
sebagai duli yang diterbangkan angin, serta
anakpanah-anakpanah lawan yang seolah-olah hanya jerami
belaka, artinya tidak sampai melumpuhkan Muhammad dan
tentaranya. Yesus belum pernah melakukan peperangan selama
hidupnya. Sebab doktrin Yesus kita kenal yaitu: Bila
ditempeleng pipi kiri berikanlah pula pipi yang kanan, dan
cintailah sesamamu manusia, bahkan musuhmu juga. Dengan
doktrin ini Yesus tidak mungkin akan mengadakan
peperangan-peperangan dan serbuan, apalagi Yesus bukankah
pernah mengatakan, bahwa kerajaannya bukanlah di dunia ini?
(Yahya 18: 36)

Kita temukan nama Muhammad ini didalam Injil yang sudah
diapokratipkan oleh para pemimpin-pemimpin Gereja dahulu,
dilarang dan dibuang sebab katanya memuat ajaran-ajaran yang
palsu dan membahayakan iman orang-orang Kristen. Terlepas
membahayakan ataukah tidak, palsu atau benar, marilah kita
membawanya dalam persoalan ini, kita buka sekarang Injil
Barnabas pasal 72, bunyinya:

Yesus berkata: "Jangan bergoncang imanmu, dan jangan kamu
takut, karena bukan aku yang menjadikan kamu. tetapi Allah
yang menjadikan kamu, memelihara kamu, adapun tentang
ketentuanKu, maka sesungguhnya aku datang untuk menyediakan
jalan bagi rasul Allah yang akan, datang membawa kelepasan
bagi dunia. Tetapi awas-awaslah, kamu ditipu oleh orang,
karena akan datang beberapa banyak nabi-nabi dusta. Mereka
mengambil perkataanku dan menajisi perkataanku." Maka kata
Andreas: "Hai guru, sebutkanlah bagi kami sesuatu tanda
supaya kami kenal dia."

Maka jawab Yesus: "Sesungguhnya dia tidak datang pada masa
kamu ini, tetapi berbilang tahun dibelakang kamu, yaitu
diwaktu dirusakkan orang akan Injilku dan hampir tak
terdapat lagi 30 orang mukmin. Diwaktu itulah Allah
merahmati dunia ini. Maka diutuslah rasulnya yang tetap awan
putih diatasnya mengenal akan dia, salah satu utusan Allah
dan dialah yang mensahirkan dirinya kepada dunia dan ia akan
datang dengan kekuatan yang besar untuk mengalahkan
orang-orang jahat dan berhala dunia ini. Sesungguhnya Aku
menyukai yang demikian ini, karena dengan perantaraannya
akan diterangkan dan dimuliakan orang Allah dan dia
menyatakan kebenaranku dan dia akan menghukum orang-orang
yang mengatakan bahwasanya aku lebih besar dari manusia
biasa. Dengan sesungguhnya Aku berkata bahwa bulan akan
memberikan dia tidur waktu masih kanak-kanak dan manakala ia
sudah besar, awaslah dunia ini jangan membuangkannya, karena
dia akan membinasakan penyembah-penyembah berhala."

Membaca akan surat Barnabas itu, maka tak dapat tiada
gentarlah hati kita betapa Nabi yang dijanjikan itu, begitu
tepat digenapi kejadiannya. Saya rasa tidaklah perlu bagi
saya memberikan komentar ataupun keterangan-keterangan yang
lebih luas, sebab sudah cukup jelas betapa Yesus sendiri
menyerukan kalimat: "Wa ashadu anna Muhammadar rasulullah."

traktat yoma bab 7;
" Then fell down a billet from Heaven, whereon was written: "Emeth" (Truth). [Says R. Hanina: Infer from this that the seal of the Holy One, blessed be He, is "Truth."] They fasted three days and three nights. Then he (the evil spirit) was delivered into their hands. So they saw how a lion-cub of fire went out from the Holy of Holies. Then the prophet said to them: "Here is the evil spirit of idolatry."

anda perhatikan emeth = TRUTH.benarkah?
bahkan jika anda mengganti emeth menjadi ahmad maka hasilnyah;

" Then fell down a billet from Heaven, whereon was written: "Ahmad". [Says R. Hanina: Infer from this that the seal of the Holy One, blessed be He, is "Truth."] They fasted three days and three nights. Then he (the evil spirit) was delivered into their hands. So they saw how a lion-cub of fire went out from the Holy of Holies. Then the prophet said to them: "Here is the evil spirit of idolatry."

bukankah emeth tersebut lebih bermakna jika menjadi nama benda (nama orang)?bukan kata sifat?
penerjemah ibrani ke inggris uda merubah makna sebenarnyah dari emeth-hmd menjadi indah dan sebagainya kata sifat.

lihatlah..........anda akan mendapati They fasted three days and three nights.siapa they yg dimaksud?

yah....kalangan arab,terutama muslim generasi mekkah/awal uda terbiasa puasa tiga hari hingga perintah berpuasa bulan ramadlon diwajibkan termasuk tata cara pelaksanaa yg meliputi batas2 waktu puasa dan berbuka.

didalam hadits bukhari disebutkan




kalo para rabi yahudi di dalam kitab talmud uda membahas sosok EMETH/AHMAD dan mengetahui ciri2 mereka,maka akan terbukti kesombongan mereka dengan menolak kenabian muhammad....

abu hanan wrote:traktat yoma bab 7;
" Then fell down a billet from Heaven, whereon was written: "Emeth" (Truth). [Says R. Hanina: Infer from this that the seal of the Holy One, blessed be He, is "Truth."] They fasted three days and three nights. Then he (the evil spirit) was delivered into their hands. So they saw how a lion-cub of fire went out from the Holy of Holies. Then the prophet said to them: "Here is the evil spirit of idolatry."

anda perhatikan emeth = TRUTH.benarkah?
bahkan jika anda mengganti emeth menjadi ahmad maka hasilnyah;

" Then fell down a billet from Heaven, whereon was written: "Ahmad". [Says R. Hanina: Infer from this that the seal of the Holy One, blessed be He, is "Truth."] They fasted three days and three nights. Then he (the evil spirit) was delivered into their hands. So they saw how a lion-cub of fire went out from the Holy of Holies. Then the prophet said to them: "Here is the evil spirit of idolatry."

bukankah emeth tersebut lebih bermakna jika menjadi nama benda (nama orang)?bukan kata sifat?
penerjemah ibrani ke inggris uda merubah makna sebenarnyah dari emeth-hmd menjadi indah dan sebagainya kata sifat.

lihatlah..........anda akan mendapati They fasted three days and three nights.siapa they yg dimaksud?

yah....kalangan arab,terutama muslim generasi mekkah/awal uda terbiasa puasa tiga hari hingga perintah berpuasa bulan ramadlon diwajibkan termasuk tata cara pelaksanaa yg meliputi batas2 waktu puasa dan berbuka.

didalam hadits bukhari disebutkan


kalo para rabi yahudi di dalam kitab talmud uda membahas sosok EMETH/AHMAD dan mengetahui ciri2 mereka,maka akan terbukti kesombongan mereka dengan menolak kenabian muhammad....

shalom
Yudaisme tidak mengimani Muhammad sebagai salah satu navi Adonay dikarenakan berbagai hal:
1.Muhammad membawakan ajaran baru meskipun persis dengan ajaran Yudaisme, seorang navi Adonay pasti akan memegang prinsip ajaran yang tercantum dalam Torah...
2.Muhammad bukan termasuk dalam navi-navi Adonay dikarenakan para navi pasti akan membimbing kaum Yahudi menuju Yahudi, bukan menuju Islam.

shalom

shalom
Yudaisme tidak mengimani Muhammad sebagai salah satu navi Adonay dikarenakan berbagai hal:
1.Muhammad membawakan ajaran baru meskipun persis dengan ajaran Yudaisme, seorang navi Adonay pasti akan memegang prinsip ajaran yang tercantum dalam Torah...

shalom alaichem bung L T M...

salam kenal...semoga betah disini


bisakah anda jelaskan mengenai "Percis" diatas dalam benang merah antara ajaran Kristen dan Islam bila kita runut dalam Perjanjian Lama?

2.Muhammad bukan termasuk dalam navi-navi Adonay dikarenakan para navi pasti akan membimbing kaum Yahudi menuju Yahudi, bukan menuju Islam.

shalom

kl yg anda maksud navi disitu adalah Jesus..maukah anda berkenan menjelaskan bagaimana Jesus membimbing Yahudi menuju Yahudi?

trims

musicman wrote:

shalom
Yudaisme tidak mengimani Muhammad sebagai salah satu navi Adonay dikarenakan berbagai hal:
1.Muhammad membawakan ajaran baru meskipun persis dengan ajaran Yudaisme, seorang navi Adonay pasti akan memegang prinsip ajaran yang tercantum dalam Torah...

shalom alaichem bung L T M...

salam kenal...semoga betah disini


bisakah anda jelaskan mengenai "Percis" diatas dalam benang merah antara ajaran Kristen dan Islam bila kita runut dalam Perjanjian Lama?

shalom.
tentu anda semua sudah mengetahui perihal 10 perintah dan larangan yg tertulis di dalam Perjanjian Lama.Namun akan menjadi lebih baik apabila saya sertakan juga di dalam pembahasan kita.
1. Percayalah pada Allah
2. Jangan menyembah secara tidak pantas
3. Jangan bersumpah
4. Patuhilah Sabat
5. Hormatilah orang tua dan guru.
6. Jangan membunuh
7. Jangan berbuat cabul
8. Jangan mencuri
9. Jangan bersaksi dusta
10. Jangan menginginkan yang bukan milik kamu.

musicman wrote:

Lie to me wrote:2.Muhammad bukan termasuk dalam navi-navi Adonay dikarenakan para navi pasti akan membimbing kaum Yahudi menuju Yahudi, bukan menuju Islam.

shalom

kl yg anda maksud navi disitu adalah Jesus..maukah anda berkenan menjelaskan bagaimana Jesus membimbing Yahudi menuju Yahudi?

trims

Tertulis Injil Matius 11-17 ; Lalu Ia mengajar mereka, kata-Nya: "Bukankah ada tertulis: Rumah-Ku akan disebut rumah doa bagi segala bangsa? Tetapi kamu ini telah menjadikannya sarang penyamun!"

Para Imam Kepala dan ahli Taurat menegaskan bahwa Bait Allah adalah tempat ekslusif dan dikhususkan bagi orang-orang Yahudi.Mereka juga kurang merasa aman dengan pengajaran Yesus yang mengajak manusia berani mendekat kepada Allah dan memanggil-Nya "Bapa". Bagi para pemimpin tadi, sebutan ini sebuah hujatan.Suatu panggilan yang tidak pernah dikenal didalam Taurat maupun Talmud.

Selain dari itu,mereka menganggap bahwa hanya keturunan Daud yg pantas memasuki Bait Allah dan mengajar disana,sedangkan menurut mereka Yesus bukanlah keturunan Daud.
Kedatangan Yesus adalah merubah sistem sosial dan hukum lisan yang telah berlangsung lama dengan demikian para Imam Kepala yg notabene keturunan Lewi dan Harun berada di dalam keadaan terancam.

shalom.

Lie to me wrote:

musicman wrote:

shalom
Yudaisme tidak mengimani Muhammad sebagai salah satu navi Adonay dikarenakan berbagai hal:
1.Muhammad membawakan ajaran baru meskipun persis dengan ajaran Yudaisme, seorang navi Adonay pasti akan memegang prinsip ajaran yang tercantum dalam Torah...

shalom alaichem bung L T M...

salam kenal...semoga betah disini


bisakah anda jelaskan mengenai "Percis" diatas dalam benang merah antara ajaran Kristen dan Islam bila kita runut dalam Perjanjian Lama?

shalom.
tentu anda semua sudah mengetahui perihal 10 perintah dan larangan yg tertulis di dalam Perjanjian Lama.Namun akan menjadi lebih baik apabila saya sertakan juga di dalam pembahasan kita.
1. Percayalah pada Allah
2. Jangan menyembah secara tidak pantas
3. Jangan bersumpah
4. Patuhilah Sabat
5. Hormatilah orang tua dan guru.
6. Jangan membunuh
7. Jangan berbuat cabul
8. Jangan mencuri
9. Jangan bersaksi dusta
10. Jangan menginginkan yang bukan milik kamu.

terima kasih atas pencerahannya.
mengenai post anda.."..seorang navi Adonay pasti akan memegang prinsip ajaran yang tercantum dalam Torah.."

boleh saya tau ayat yg mendukung pernyataan anda?

musicman wrote:

Lie to me wrote:2.Muhammad bukan termasuk dalam navi-navi Adonay dikarenakan para navi pasti akan membimbing kaum Yahudi menuju Yahudi, bukan menuju Islam.

shalom

kl yg anda maksud navi disitu adalah Jesus..maukah anda berkenan menjelaskan bagaimana Jesus membimbing Yahudi menuju Yahudi?

trims

Tertulis Injil Matius 11-17 ; Lalu Ia mengajar mereka, kata-Nya: "Bukankah ada tertulis: Rumah-Ku akan disebut rumah doa bagi segala bangsa? Tetapi kamu ini telah menjadikannya sarang penyamun!"

Para Imam Kepala dan ahli Taurat menegaskan bahwa Bait Allah adalah tempat ekslusif dan dikhususkan bagi orang-orang Yahudi.Mereka juga kurang merasa aman dengan pengajaran Yesus yang mengajak manusia berani mendekat kepada Allah dan memanggil-Nya "Bapa". Bagi para pemimpin tadi, sebutan ini sebuah hujatan.Suatu panggilan yang tidak pernah dikenal didalam Taurat maupun Talmud.

Selain dari itu,mereka menganggap bahwa hanya keturunan Daud yg pantas memasuki Bait Allah dan mengajar disana,sedangkan menurut mereka Yesus bukanlah keturunan Daud.
Kedatangan Yesus adalah merubah sistem sosial dan hukum lisan yang telah berlangsung lama dengan demikian para Imam Kepala yg notabene keturunan Lewi dan Harun berada di dalam keadaan terancam.

shalom.

ok..

satu dulu yg ingin saya komentari..

melihat sepak terjang Jesus dan Jahudi..

pendapat anda sendiri..apakah anda setuju kl Jesus adalah Tuhan yg gagal dalam Misi yg anda sebut "membimbing Yahudi menuju Yahudi"?

musicman wrote:

Lie to me wrote:

musicman wrote:

shalom
Yudaisme tidak mengimani Muhammad sebagai salah satu navi Adonay dikarenakan berbagai hal:
1.Muhammad membawakan ajaran baru meskipun persis dengan ajaran Yudaisme, seorang navi Adonay pasti akan memegang prinsip ajaran yang tercantum dalam Torah...

shalom alaichem bung L T M...

salam kenal...semoga betah disini


bisakah anda jelaskan mengenai "Percis" diatas dalam benang merah antara ajaran Kristen dan Islam bila kita runut dalam Perjanjian Lama?

shalom.
tentu anda semua sudah mengetahui perihal 10 perintah dan larangan yg tertulis di dalam Perjanjian Lama.Namun akan menjadi lebih baik apabila saya sertakan juga di dalam pembahasan kita.
1. Percayalah pada Allah
2. Jangan menyembah secara tidak pantas
3. Jangan bersumpah
4. Patuhilah Sabat
5. Hormatilah orang tua dan guru.
6. Jangan membunuh
7. Jangan berbuat cabul
8. Jangan mencuri
9. Jangan bersaksi dusta
10. Jangan menginginkan yang bukan milik kamu.

terima kasih atas pencerahannya.
mengenai post anda.."..seorang navi Adonay pasti akan memegang prinsip ajaran yang tercantum dalam Torah.."

boleh saya tau ayat yg mendukung pernyataan anda?

Apakah 10 perintah Tuhan masih belum mencukupi kebutuhan anda atau anda akan merubah topik pembicaraan?

musicman wrote:

Lie to me wrote:2.Muhammad bukan termasuk dalam navi-navi Adonay dikarenakan para navi pasti akan membimbing kaum Yahudi menuju Yahudi, bukan menuju Islam.

shalom

kl yg anda maksud navi disitu adalah Jesus..maukah anda berkenan menjelaskan bagaimana Jesus membimbing Yahudi menuju Yahudi?

trims

Tertulis Injil Matius 11-17 ; Lalu Ia mengajar mereka, kata-Nya: "Bukankah ada tertulis: Rumah-Ku akan disebut rumah doa bagi segala bangsa? Tetapi kamu ini telah menjadikannya sarang penyamun!"

Para Imam Kepala dan ahli Taurat menegaskan bahwa Bait Allah adalah tempat ekslusif dan dikhususkan bagi orang-orang Yahudi.Mereka juga kurang merasa aman dengan pengajaran Yesus yang mengajak manusia berani mendekat kepada Allah dan memanggil-Nya "Bapa". Bagi para pemimpin tadi, sebutan ini sebuah hujatan.Suatu panggilan yang tidak pernah dikenal didalam Taurat maupun Talmud.

Selain dari itu,mereka menganggap bahwa hanya keturunan Daud yg pantas memasuki Bait Allah dan mengajar disana,sedangkan menurut mereka Yesus bukanlah keturunan Daud.
Kedatangan Yesus adalah merubah sistem sosial dan hukum lisan yang telah berlangsung lama dengan demikian para Imam Kepala yg notabene keturunan Lewi dan Harun berada di dalam keadaan terancam.

shalom.

ok..

satu dulu yg ingin saya komentari..

melihat sepak terjang Jesus dan Jahudi..

pendapat anda sendiri..apakah anda setuju kl Jesus adalah Tuhan yg gagal dalam Misi yg anda sebut "membimbing Yahudi menuju Yahudi"?

Kembali saya mengulang pertanyaan yang sama,apakah anda akan mengalihkan topik ?Bukankah tema di dalam thread ini berkaitan dengan kenabian muhammad?
Kecuali anda mampu menjelaskan relevansi antara Yesus dan muhammad di dalam thread,saya mempersilahkan anda meneruskan.

shalom

Lie to me wrote:

musicman wrote:

Lie to me wrote:

musicman wrote:

shalom
Yudaisme tidak mengimani Muhammad sebagai salah satu navi Adonay dikarenakan berbagai hal:
1.Muhammad membawakan ajaran baru meskipun persis dengan ajaran Yudaisme, seorang navi Adonay pasti akan memegang prinsip ajaran yang tercantum dalam Torah...

shalom alaichem bung L T M...

salam kenal...semoga betah disini


bisakah anda jelaskan mengenai "Percis" diatas dalam benang merah antara ajaran Kristen dan Islam bila kita runut dalam Perjanjian Lama?

shalom.
tentu anda semua sudah mengetahui perihal 10 perintah dan larangan yg tertulis di dalam Perjanjian Lama.Namun akan menjadi lebih baik apabila saya sertakan juga di dalam pembahasan kita.
1. Percayalah pada Allah
2. Jangan menyembah secara tidak pantas
3. Jangan bersumpah
4. Patuhilah Sabat
5. Hormatilah orang tua dan guru.
6. Jangan membunuh
7. Jangan berbuat cabul
8. Jangan mencuri
9. Jangan bersaksi dusta
10. Jangan menginginkan yang bukan milik kamu.

terima kasih atas pencerahannya.
mengenai post anda.."..seorang navi Adonay pasti akan memegang prinsip ajaran yang tercantum dalam Torah.."

boleh saya tau ayat yg mendukung pernyataan anda?

Apakah 10 perintah Tuhan masih belum mencukupi kebutuhan anda atau anda akan merubah topik pembicaraan?

musicman wrote:

Lie to me wrote:2.Muhammad bukan termasuk dalam navi-navi Adonay dikarenakan para navi pasti akan membimbing kaum Yahudi menuju Yahudi, bukan menuju Islam.

shalom

kl yg anda maksud navi disitu adalah Jesus..maukah anda berkenan menjelaskan bagaimana Jesus membimbing Yahudi menuju Yahudi?

trims

Tertulis Injil Matius 11-17 ; Lalu Ia mengajar mereka, kata-Nya: "Bukankah ada tertulis: Rumah-Ku akan disebut rumah doa bagi segala bangsa? Tetapi kamu ini telah menjadikannya sarang penyamun!"

Para Imam Kepala dan ahli Taurat menegaskan bahwa Bait Allah adalah tempat ekslusif dan dikhususkan bagi orang-orang Yahudi.Mereka juga kurang merasa aman dengan pengajaran Yesus yang mengajak manusia berani mendekat kepada Allah dan memanggil-Nya "Bapa". Bagi para pemimpin tadi, sebutan ini sebuah hujatan.Suatu panggilan yang tidak pernah dikenal didalam Taurat maupun Talmud.

Selain dari itu,mereka menganggap bahwa hanya keturunan Daud yg pantas memasuki Bait Allah dan mengajar disana,sedangkan menurut mereka Yesus bukanlah keturunan Daud.
Kedatangan Yesus adalah merubah sistem sosial dan hukum lisan yang telah berlangsung lama dengan demikian para Imam Kepala yg notabene keturunan Lewi dan Harun berada di dalam keadaan terancam.

shalom.

ok..

satu dulu yg ingin saya komentari..

melihat sepak terjang Jesus dan Jahudi..

pendapat anda sendiri..apakah anda setuju kl Jesus adalah Tuhan yg gagal dalam Misi yg anda sebut "membimbing Yahudi menuju Yahudi"?

Kembali saya mengulang pertanyaan yang sama,apakah anda akan mengalihkan topik ?Bukankah tema di dalam thread ini berkaitan dengan kenabian muhammad?
Kecuali anda mampu menjelaskan relevansi antara Yesus dan muhammad di dalam thread,saya mempersilahkan anda meneruskan.

shalom

tidak mengalihkan topik sm sekali bung..

tidak usah "gerah" dulu...selama anda dingin kepala, pasti mengerti ke arah mana post saya.

begini bung...

Teologi Perjanjian Baru 2 Donald G.hal.336-337







nah Justru maksud dr "menggenapi" disitu yg lbh cocok diartikan "melampaui" yg lbh multi tafsir dan tidak bisa dikatakan harus selalu sama dengan Hukum Yahudi..

ok lah...saya hormati anda...tidak usah anda tanggapi pernyataan saya sebelumnya kl anda memang agak "gerah"..

bagaimana tanggapan anda dengan Navi2 selanjutnya yg layak2 (Sah) saja kl disebut "melampaui" Perjanjian lama (anda pasti faham arah saya kemana)..dalam arti ngga harus sama 100% dengan PL?